UKRAINE. YOU ROCK!

I fear Ukraine is far from rocking. If you pay attention you can hear President Macron talking about working with Russia to create security.
Ursula von der Leyen let slip that 100,000 Ukraine soldiers have been killed and that inevitably means the real number is higher. Add to that the number of wounded which is always double or more the number of deaths and you start to see the price ordinary Ukrainians are paying.
That's in just 10 months of war.
There are reports 300,000 men are missing in action - their mothers are wondering where they have gone because they're not hearing from them anymore.

Also, the sheer number of weapons being used is quite extraordinary with NATO basically using it's whole stock of weaponry on this war.
Estimates suggest they are using up to 20,000 rounds of ammunition per day, to put that into perspective the USA fired 60,000 rounds in the entirety of the Gulf War.
To make matters worse there are reports that weapons given to Ukraine are turning up in various places around the world, obviously in the hands of dangerous people.
Ukraine, or more specifically the Ukrainian people, are far from rocking.....

I'm all for helping any people who are suffering or fleeing for their lives but we are not being asked to take Syrians or Somalis into our homes. We have taken a very polarised view of the Russian/Ukraine war much as we do with our own politics at home where we always hear that one party is good so the other by default must be evil.
It does seem a British thing and other countries around the world take a more pragmatic approach and can see good and bad on both sides and want to study the history of the area; the details and the truth about the conflict.
Nobody is rocking in this.

So ... You both would have preferred I upload a post entitled, "UKRAINE. YOU SUCK?"

The original post was and is a simple upbeat sentiment of admiration and support for a nation suffering extremes of duress and horror and was never originally intended to be anything else.

The world is suffering enough negativity and bad news already without folk adding more and bringing it and this post down any further.

Hear hear OTB. There's an ongoing question about whether to bring a war crimes case in absentia against Putin and others around him, some think its a good idea others not, I can see the sense in both sides of the argument, it will make it harder for a negotiated peace deal to be done whilst Putin's still in power, but then if one isn't brought then it will appear that he's getting away with his crimes even more so. One fo the things that confuses me and one of the grounds for bringing an international criminal case against Putin is that he's committing acts of agression against civillians, by cutting power and water supplies, this confuses me because isn't all war an act of aggression, especially if you started it?

There are or were schemes for people to host Syrian and Afghani refugees, only nobody really publicised them in the way they have with Ukrainians.

Since the end of the 6 month phase of folk taking in Ukrainians, more than 2,000 Ukrainian families with children and 900 individuals are classed as homeless in the UK, a rise of 800 and up 27% from last month. :-(

So ... You both would have preferred I upload a post entitled, "UKRAINE. YOU SUCK?"

I think...... "PEOPLE OF UKRAINE, YOU'RE BEING TAKEN FOR A RIDE WHILE ZELENSKY (AND OTHERS) POCKET A FORTUNE" ......would have been more in keeping with what's really going on.
Sorry, you might be willing to pretend Ukraine is winning and the sacrifice we're all making is worth it, I don't...

Since the end of the 6 month phase of folk taking in Ukrainians, more than 2,000 Ukrainian families with children and 900 individuals are classed as homeless in the UK, a rise of 800 and up 27% from last month. :-(

UK is challenging for any homeless people - SRS has few vacancies - and in PRS the issue is HB ie LHA covers only cheapest 30%

The £350 paid to house Ukraine refugees may be adequate for a single person to be fed but not a whole family

Many host families will not wish to renew the deal given cost of living crisis

Sometimes its just not worked out, people havent got along, they need the space for other things or they can't afford to host anymore. Are people from Ukraine allowed to work here?

Putin has today mentioned a negotiated peace settlement for Ukraine, something mirroring the situation on the ground, How true this is I don't know and how serious he is likewise, seeing as he said it when he was also "reassuring" the Russian people that his "military operation" was proceding as planned makes it hard to tell how serious he is?

Certainly hosting other families is not for everyone - ditto taking in Lodgers even if one is hard up.

Unless those Ukrainians garner Right to Remain type status they cannot work - and there are relatively few private rentals available within the capped LHA rate- which has been frozen since 2021.

Right to Rent checks will also be an issue - so the whole scheme was rather half baked- I can only assume Govt thought the war would be over within 6 months and hosted families would simply go back home.

Just read through the wave of hysteria again in this thread. How does it feel now one year on, same whoop whoops? Or, has a little shame fallen on one's reactions?

It should slow down and both sides run short of ammunition which should stop the endless slaughter of innocent Ukrainians.

Everything is fine, ta but thanks for asking. x

I've just been reading about the shambolic entities that make up the Russian armed forces.

The so called push expected since all the untrained conscripts have been wheeled in is no more than a limping crawl, the Russian air force is on its knees and even a year in, there is no such thing as a joined up military structure that could even unite the ramshackle bunch of amateurs, partly because of the lack of command structure and, (within that), partly because the Russian army is actually governed by a wide group of chieftains and crooks who actually hate each other and make any concept of bringing all forces together in harmony impossible.

In fact, this very day, one of those "leaders" has been dissing Putin himself and saying exactly what I've written here.

I year on and Putin's "3 day war" will probably roll on for a further year or two.

What a terrible advert for his regime and his mafia style form of leadership.

But hey.

WHOOP, WHOOP!!! :-)

UKRAINE. YOU ROCK!

I year on and Putin's "3 day war" will probably roll on for a further year or two.
What a terrible advert for his regime and his mafia style form of leadership.

And that's what you're worried about?
I hope it drags on for another year or two and the people of the West are heartily sick and tired of putting their hand in their pocket. By then the euphoria of Ukraine winning the Eurovision song contest in Liverpool with the highest score ever recorded will be a distant memory, the blue and yellow flags will be torn and faded, gas prices will still be sky high and our leaders will be the most hated people around.
People will say "never again" and they'll mean it......well until the next time America wants to pretend it still runs the world.
Sláva Ukrayíni!..... lol lol

Glad your well Beach, onward and upwards x.

I would be better able to respond to your following three sentences that rely purely on the claim "just been reading". Do you have the source to these propaganda claims? Then I will be better equipped to see where you are coming from.

Last but far more importantly, hiero's piece i condone fully. All that destruction of life and suffering, because the ego can't yield.

I feel completely different about the entire thing from when it first started.Entirely! Estimated longer than a few years Mags. Biden paid a surprise visit to Ukraine today. Betting not for any encouragement on peace talks, America loves meddling and manipulating this war. This has lasted a hell of a lot longer than first anticipated and it needs to end before we end up with WW3.

I don't think the West can afford to allow Putin to conquer Ukraine and take her territories.

How much of your own money can you afford to prevent the outcome of the provoked war by your government fbf? A grand? 10 grand? What's the price that will turn your face and wake up your ignorance. On a more empathic level, how many deaths will be enough to afford discussions to recommence, 300000? 1 million? The tax payers are funding this carnage to continue and there's a price to pay for it's immortality. 

Precisely, too many people have died already, millions disbanded from their homes. In the beginning it wasn't presumed to last this long, but you can see its a prolonged war and its getting worse not better, the more that goes in the longer it goes on, with the included risk of becoming a world war. Nobody is encouraging Zelensky and Putin to talk it out around a table, its not even an option. 

I fully understand why some are scared of what might happen and frightened of Russias next move but they must be stopped from their aggression and committing of genocide.

Peace is strength. War is fear. Which side are you for fbf, fear or strength?

And what part of logic says that providing more and more artillery and training to Ukraine is going to encourage a ceasefire from Russia? 

I fully understand why some are scared of what might happen and frightened of Russias next move but they must be stopped from their aggression and committing of genocide.

That's weird, why was nobody worried 18 months ago?
Now Putin and Russia are supposed enemies of the world.
Zelensky is a warmongering weasel who won't be happy until the West are fully at war and Biden is stoking the fire at every opportunity.
Zelensky said yesterday if China supplies Russia with weapons then WW3 will happen. Who the fuck does he think he is?.....

These kind of leaders, especially when in some sort of war or conflict, are nearly as stubborn as people on here. They arent giving up any time soon.

I fully understand why some are scared of what might happen and frightened of Russias next move but they must be stopped from their aggression and committing of genocide.

I see it differently to you Hierophant. Nothing weird at all. Putin will always be an enemy of the world because of his lust for power. Zelenskyy whether we like him or not is defending his country from invasion and trying to stop the slaughter of his people. Biden who I don't like is doing the right thing on this occasion. He has gone to the war zone to show solidarity which might go some way to convincing Russia that attacking someone else's country is not a good move and if Russia stops their attack the killing stops. It is a move for peace and an opportunity for Putin to do the right thing and stop killing innocent people.
Nobody can blame the Ukrainians for defending their own country.