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The Christmas pantomime between Germany and Gazprom

Cutting ones nose to spite ones public face.

Blackjack

Blackjack  Male  South Yorkshire
28-Nov-2021 22:56 Message #4848940
It’s a Christmas story where people freeze to death for no good reason - which will be blamed as Russian aggression during the coming winter months

Germany has suspending the certification of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline for the last 2 years. It’s the easiest path to lower natural gas prices across Europe, as opposed to buying short term in the spot market. Spot market over £1000 and for a signed contract for the same amount of gas From Russia – just under one hundred and fifty pounds.

So why the delay, when Europe instigated the pipeline, it wanted cheap reliable Russian gas, which has been piped into Germany for decades.

Worse Russia does not need to sell its gas to Europe, it never did - as it had had offers before Nord Stream 2 to divert their oil and gas exports to China and other Asian customers. This proposal was actually the key reason for Berlin to resolutely counteract the U.S. drive to stop Nord Stream 2. Everyone across the EU knows that Nord Stream 2 is the easiest path to lower natural gas prices across Europe. But its Russian GAS innit!

So Russia does not need Europe to sell its gas or oil to – it never did - if Gazprom decided to deliberately slow down their deliveries of natural gas. It could go up tenfold, collapsing the entire EU. Russia has China. But Germany does not have a alternative contingency plan.

The European energy executive did not mince his words on a quite possible scenario: “If Germany does not obtain their oil and natural gas by land now they cannot fashion a fall back position, as there is not sufficient LNG capacity or oil for that matter to supply the EU this winter. They are going to freeze. Much of their economy will be forced to shut down.
Unemployment will soar. It would take four years to build up LNG capacity for natural gas but who will build it for them?”

The German energy regulator is deliberately delaying Nord Stream 2 though legal and regulatory hurdles, invented on the hoof under the illusion it will hurt Russia, when in fact European people will be hurt, freezing and paying a fortune for gas on the spot market, which can only go higher.

So gas from Nord Stream 2 will be absent during the coming winter in Europe and the pipeline, at best, might start running only by mid-2022.

So behold, for EU and UK mortals: a “perfect storm of Russian aggression during the coming winter months” is all but inevitable. Watch it on your screens while you properly freeze and the 35,000 anual deaths from hyperthermia become yet again Covid victims.

It’s all Putin’s fault – guilty of conducting hybrid war against the EU will be the mainstream propaganda message to the ill informed - believing every word as prices soar, and heating use falls.

It’s against this background that the offer on the table in Moscow to divert their oil and gas from northern Europe to be sold to eastern and southern Europe via Turk Stream, and most of all to Asian clients, which do not engage in blackmail and pay much better than the Europeans becomes even more than a game-changer.

The propaganda argument that Russia needs to sell oil and gar to Europe is a PROPAGANDA myth

Germany has zero margin of manoeuvre to dictate conditions to Gazprom and Russia. What is also clear is that if by a misguided political decision Nord Stream 2 gas is eventually blocked, the fines to be collected by Gazprom from the European consortium that begged for the construction of the pipeline may exceed 200 billion euros. The consortium is made up of Engie, Shell, Uniper, Wintershall Dea and OMV.

Meanwhile the clear-sightedness of the government of Serbia, is considering importing 3 billion cubic meters of Russian natural gas annually for 10 years. Gazprom has been on the record for years demonstrating the practical, reliable and cost-conscious aspects of long-term contracts.

But we have to vilify Russia, we need excused even if they have to be manufactured
tsunamiwarrior

tsunamiwarrior  Male  Hertfordshire
28-Nov-2021 23:05 Message #4848941
Russian President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday that oil prices could well reach $100 per barrel as demand for all energy commodities grows.

Energy prices have soared across the board as economies reopen after months of Covid pandemic-induced lockdowns and supply remains tight. West Texas Intermediate crude futures, the U.S. oil benchmark, crossed $80 per barrel last week for the first time since November 2014.

But Putin, leader of one of the world’s biggest oil-producing nations, believes it can go even higher. When asked if WTI could reach $100 per barrel, he said, “That is quite possible.”

Speaking to CNBC’s Hadley Gamble at an event in Moscow, Putin, however, said that Russia and other oil-producing countries are doing their utmost to bring some stabilization to the market.
tsunamiwarrior

tsunamiwarrior  Male  Hertfordshire
28-Nov-2021 23:07 Message #4848942
“Russia and our partners and OPEC+ group, I would say we are doing everything possible to make sure the oil market stabilizes. We are trying not to allow any shock peaks in prices. We certainly do not want to have that — it is not in our interests,” he said, according to a translation.

Earlier this month, OPEC and allied nonmember nations, known as OPEC+, decided to keep their stance by not stepping up production, despite pressure from other nations. The OPEC+ group is meeting regularly to discuss its policies amid a volatile energy market.

Interesting but very little effect of the dating and friendship of mse.
capnblackbeard

capnblackbeard  Male  Hertfordshire
28-Nov-2021 23:07 Message #4848943
brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "THE COLD WAR "
tsunamiwarrior

tsunamiwarrior  Male  Hertfordshire
28-Nov-2021 23:08 Message #4848944
It's the Cockney having a propaganda that worries me.
capnblackbeard

capnblackbeard  Male  Hertfordshire
28-Nov-2021 23:13 Message #4848945
HES BEHIND YOU,LOL
ToBeAdvised

ToBeAdvised  Male  Essex
29-Nov-2021 10:56 Message #4849007
Nobody should be surprised that Putin has "weaponised" the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
Hierophant

Hierophant  Male  East Anglia
29-Nov-2021 11:13 Message #4849011
Slowly, but surely, our lives are being managed so that we get used to not having stuff or doing stuff.
Travel, eating meat, using gas are all things they tell us are bad for the environment and they want us to give them up.
They won't meet their ridiculous green targets unless we do - that's why covid is a gift from the gods, on the back of it, all areas of our lives are being reshaped and we're accepting it because we've been brainwashed into thinking it's for the common good.
They tell us people will die if we don't do our bit, is there really anything more powerful than the fear of death?

Oh well......
It's only Christmas, it's just another day really and there'll be plenty more.
It's only a mask, doctors wear them all the time.
It's only a holiday, airports are horrible places anyway.
It's only a vaccine passport, you have to show ID to go on holiday, what's wrong doing it to buy a pint of milk? They're exactly the same thing.
It's only a car, it's just a lump of metal, walking is so much better for you anyway.

And on we go......
capnblackbeard

capnblackbeard  Male  Hertfordshire
29-Nov-2021 12:03 Message #4849029
welcome to big brother 2020
NoSaint

NoSaint  Female  Devon
29-Nov-2021 12:43 Message #4849038
“Russia and our partners and OPEC+ group, I would say we are doing everything possible to make sure the oil market stabilizes. We are trying not to allow any shock peaks in prices. We certainly do not want to have that — it is not in our interests,” he said, according to a translation.

Earlier this month, OPEC and allied nonmember nations, known as OPEC+, decided to keep their stance by not stepping up production, despite pressure from other nations. The OPEC+ group is meeting regularly to discuss its policies amid a volatile energy market.

Interesting but very little effect of the dating and friendship of mse.


On a brighter note. At last it isn't another thread about Covid.
NoSaint

NoSaint  Female  Devon
29-Nov-2021 12:43 Message #4849039
“Russia and our partners and OPEC+ group, I would say we are doing everything possible to make sure the oil market stabilizes. We are trying not to allow any shock peaks in prices. We certainly do not want to have that — it is not in our interests,” he said, according to a translation.

Earlier this month, OPEC and allied nonmember nations, known as OPEC+, decided to keep their stance by not stepping up production, despite pressure from other nations. The OPEC+ group is meeting regularly to discuss its policies amid a volatile energy market.

Interesting but very little effect of the dating and friendship of mse.


On a brighter note. At last it isn't another thread about Covid.
Blackjack

Blackjack  Male  South Yorkshire
29-Nov-2021 15:15 Message #4849073
Tutsi - If you scratched below the propaganda surface, you might just realise there are tow distinct markets regarding oil - the speculative spot market which is always chucked at the mob for them to cluck loudly about - not understanding it at all - but assuming that is the complete picture and the mob as usual can do sod all about it - except its not true.

Like with everything one can buy something in the market place or go to the supplier direct and make a far better deal. The marketplace is speculative, the weather, pay day or not or the buying public, can influence who is out and about and the sellers have to keep the price high initially to cover their costs, which hardly ever go down even when in profit, as markets can have good as well as disastrous days

Making a deal with the supplier allows the supplier to reduce the price if its a big enough or going to be a repeated order, as that money is guaranteed – Russia signs up people for at least 10 years - its regular guaranteed payments to the supplier - whereas the market is overall is problematic. So certainty is better than uncertainty.

The point I am making is that PUTIN wants in long term contracts - where the price is guaranteed - gas is just 150 pound for those with a contract - whereas the marketplace its often over 1000 pounds. But sometimes it less than 150 pounds when bought at certain times in the year, so speculation is all about short term gains, not for the people but the corporations and they do not care - as they pass the costs onto the mob or go bankrupt - The mob have a choice be dictated to - like an drug addict relationship with a dealer – so the mob pays the price or goes without.

So why no long term contracts - because we hate everything that the USSR stands for having not realised that ideological situation no longer exists. But we make it exist in the minds of the mob - as we want a nuke war, as the Anglo Saxon global debt is in the stratosphere - we are bankrupt so the British now follow the USA the country that took over our Empire - so they obvious know best how to run the world and be the global top dog.

To be Advised - Quite - shame you decided to display your conditioned bigotry instead of reading any of the conversation I wrote - as it mentions your absurd concept of you idiotic point - but then being one of the lads someone always has o impress the rest by sticking a knife in - makes the rest see that individual in a new light - someone to be respected though their display of aggression, except the rest regard him as an idiot, but never speak the word - as he is one of us and who wants knifing?.


Ignorance is state of mid in which people are not interested in anything but their opinions, which unknown to then have been indoctrinated directly and subliminally over the decades. They have no idea what a Russian individual is, obviously got horns as are Viking descendents - they have no idea what freedoms Russians have, they assume they know, because they have been told so by people with an agenda - when in fact being told they are the mindless mob that need telling what to think and how to think about what they have been told to think - is beyond their ability to comprehend.
Maybe I will do a piece on the Anglo Saxon western democratic Ideology and peoples. Con[paring them with China and Russia and the quality of life individual experience - what each government does for their people, and why China and Russia have to be seen as threat. But maybe its just over the heads of the indoctrinated?
FirmButFair-TrollPatrol

FirmButFair-TrollPatrol  Male  North Yorkshire
29-Nov-2021 15:53 Message #4849079
China - our enemy.

The very word “enemy” is now taboo; politicians today overwhelmingly deploy alternatives such as “risk,” “threat” or “competitor.” According to received wisdom, to identify China as an enemy is to reduce complex relations to binary choices and risk creating a “self-fulfilling prophecy,” with relations souring beyond repair.

But refusing to identify a country as an enemy does not mean that we won’t be facing one. In a world marked by the return of predatory powers, China is certain to be the apex predator. And refusing to acknowledge it as such may mean ending up on its menu.

True, China’s ability to transform, adapt and emulate over time has been remarkable. And it is obvious that, unlike the Soviet Union, China does not seek either global domination or the export of its political system. However, China not only sees our political system as fundamentally inimical to the survival of its communist regime, but is determined to make the world safe for autocracy. China is set on undermining the unity of the west—a bloc now palpably weakened by its defeat in Afghanistan—by dividing Europe from the US, and Europeans from each other. Nor is there much doubt that Beijing is aiming at technological domination.

We based our engagement with China on the hope of “change through trade.” That is happening, but in reverse: it is dependence on Chinese trade that is now eroding our political systems.

China is our enemy.


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