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Is criticism of religions

racist and anti-

Jeff

Jeff  Male  East Sussex
11-Dec-2019 10:03 Message #4764896
When someone criticises the holy texts of religions, are they being racist?

I suggest using a definition such as "showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or believing that a particular race is superior to another".

And:-
Is criticism of the Old Testament antisemitic?
Is criticism of the New Testament anti-Christian?
Is criticism of the Qur'an and Hadith(s) anti-Islamic and/or Islamophobic?
Sea

Sea  Female  Essex
13-Dec-2019 14:53 Message #4765192
I would not consider criticising holy texts, as being racist in any way. It is just giving your opinion. If something does not sound right, why should you not say so, without being labelled as racist etc.?
And if you wished, you could say it is anti Christian etc. to criticise anything, because,as a good Christian or whatever religion you may be, you would accept without question. I was speaking to a Muslim guy on Lombok Island, Indonesia a couple of years ago and light heartedly complaining about the loud chanting (now tape recorded music, so cheating in my eyes, as before technology it would have been actual people) that takes place at 5am every morning. And he said to me that if they complain, they are told they are not good Muslims. So it seems that even some Muslims do question their own faith and its expectations. Am sure some were praying for a power cut, especially if they had had a late night. : -) Surely though, we should be allowed to criticise and question and put over our own opinions on anything written, without being accuses of being anti this or anti that etc. Is it so wrong to have differing viewpoints?
Nigel_In_Devon

Nigel_In_Devon  Male  Devon
13-Dec-2019 16:12 Message #4765203
Religions are across races so criticising religions cannot be racist.
HotOrWot

HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire
13-Dec-2019 21:29 Message #4765259
I don’t think so Jeff.
terry

terry  Male  West Yorkshire
15-Dec-2019 00:49 Message #4765456
I would guess it depends on the form that critiscism takes, discussion would be ok, being accusatory or demeaning to anyone's belief structure would be, in my opinion, wrong. Different belief systems have different levels of tolerance, using the definition you've given then yes, if spoken/written then I would consider that racist. Of course now you'll start on some anti islamic or other rant with quotes from their holy books about how they consider their religion to be superior to any other.

It's about time we started thinking how the human race considers itself to be superior to any other species, and how certain members of that human race consider themselves to be superior to any other.

Just thought though, other than through an action or expression, how would anyone express a feeling?
Minnie-the-Minx

Minnie-the-Minx  Female  Hertfordshire
15-Dec-2019 03:56 Message #4765465
Not all religions are across races. Arguably, Judaism isn't depending on your point of view. The Yazidis have their own beliefs. You don't get many non-Asians who are Hindu, although that may be an odd one because it isn't a single belief system across all Hindus.
Nigel_In_Devon

Nigel_In_Devon  Male  Devon
15-Dec-2019 05:13 Message #4765467
Perhaps not, but enough are across races so that criticism of a religion doesn't equate to racism.

Anyway, a lot depends on how you criticise.
Minnie-the-Minx

Minnie-the-Minx  Female  Hertfordshire
16-Dec-2019 00:06 Message #4765581
I would say, doesn't necessarily equate, but it might.
johnlock

johnlock  Male  Essex
22-Dec-2019 14:19 Message #4766326
As an atheist, I have little time for any religion!

Regards
John
Jeff

Jeff  Male  East Sussex
22-Dec-2019 14:41 Message #4766329
John,

Long time no see. Welcome back.

Your near namesake about 1689 advocated tolerance of religions, largely to avoid violence.
walkingman

walkingman  Male  South Yorkshire
4-Jan-2020 01:18 Message #4767299
I feel that criticism of the old testament shows critical thinking, as in Genesis, the universe was created in an impossible order.
The old testament has immoral teaching like god instructing how to buy slaves, how you should sell your daughter into slavery, and how much you can beat your slave without getting punished. So criticising that would show one has better morals than Yahweh.
Criticism of the new testament again shows better morality than Jesus has, if one considers that Jesus supports what is written in the old testament.
Criticism of the Qur'an indicates that one is not okay with killing someone just because they no longer believed in Allah. and therefore has better morals than the teachings in the Qur'an.

I suppose it all depends on where ones criticism is directed though.
NoSaint

NoSaint  Female  Devon
4-Jan-2020 08:20 Message #4767302
Minnie-the-Minx Female Hertfordshire 15-Dec-2019 03:56 Message #4765465
Not all religions are across races. Arguably, Judaism isn't depending on your point of view. The Yazidis have their own beliefs. You don't get many non-Asians who are Hindu, although that may be an odd one because it isn't a single belief system across all Hindus.


Good point.
Minnie-the-Minx

Minnie-the-Minx  Female  Hertfordshire
6-Jun-2021 09:59 Message #4823828
Walkingman, as I have commented elsewhere today, never underestimate the power of peer pressure in controlling the populace and keeping everyone aligned.
FirmButFair-TrollPatrol

FirmButFair-TrollPatrol  Male  North Yorkshire
6-Jun-2021 17:36 Message #4823901
The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself.

Spam.
Blackjack

Blackjack  Male  South Yorkshire
6-Jun-2021 19:27 Message #4823940
If one looks back through the historical past one discovers that Christians appear to justify killing people for all sorts of reasons and have in the name of thier religions killed more people than any other religion on earth - whic is odd as it preaches one thing and appears to have practiced the opposite. Its historical record is of intollerance.

Christianity stopped progress for almost 1000 years as everyone was awre that the second comming could happen at any moment so what was the point of progress - so questioning it could find one was tortured, burned to death or worse.

So some religions believe in making if not forcing other people to convert to the one and only truth whereas other ideologies embrace all new ways to being a better person. Some practice what they preach but not many these days as its become a tribal thing, where individuals in a world where individuality is the message, find something that they can identify with and not feel so alone - as maybe at least a god might care as humanity becomes increasingly under various controls.

So either way thinking in set ways, stops humanity advancing - the new religion of science the high priest the scientists continuously ask questions - seeking answers in a differnt way. Although the Pandemic scientists remind me of Middle Age thinking as ther is oddly enough only one message and answer - which is new to science.

If one believes the truth is burried in books or manuscripts from thousands of yeas ago - when life and the world were very differnt - proves how brilliant the propaganda really is - in a fragmented world - making people turn to a past they know nothing about - stops them realising their future might not be in some old mythincal god - but maybe in the stars- which we all know we and everything is made of. So now we are on the threshold of taking over the heavens - we are the new gods - and there is a lot to discover and learn - so lets realise how quaint beliefs are, respect the nonsense as it has a psychological reality - and take out place in the heavens which has been waiting for us since we climbed down from the trees.
MrQuiet

MrQuiet  Male  Northamptonshire
6-Jun-2021 19:36 Message #4823943
Man creates problems, starts wars and pretends to kill in the name of religion. The majority of believers want none of this and look for a peaceful existence.
MrQuiet

MrQuiet  Male  Northamptonshire
6-Jun-2021 19:36 Message #4823944
Man creates problems, starts wars and pretends to kill in the name of religion. The majority of believers want none of this and look for a peaceful existence.
HotOrWot

HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire
7-Jun-2021 06:45 Message #4823995
Man creates problems, starts wars and pretends to kill in the name of religion. The majority of believers want none of this and look for a peaceful existence.

Exactly.
Orson

Orson  Male  Tayside
8-Jun-2021 15:13 Message #4824158
One has noticed that Bibles covers are, tradiotionally, black. So, one imagines that a white edition could retain some sort of parity. For those who worry about such things. One further imagines that a parental advisary sticker might be used on the cover, Considering the, largely, bloodthirsty, immoral & sadistic contents.
HelplessHarry

HelplessHarry  Male  Oxfordshire
8-Jun-2021 16:13 Message #4824161
White bibles are no longer a rare breed.
Orson

Orson  Male  Tayside
8-Jun-2021 18:41 Message #4824170
One is pleased at that news. And one is sure that the great sandled one in the sky would be too. After all. it's quite lovely to know that, at the very least, Bible covers are in a choice of black & white.


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