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Trumps making an offer

the Danes can refuse

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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 16-Aug-2019 11:12 Message #4748867
Trumps seems to be on the point of offering to buy Greenland from Denmark, he's had all sorts of advice on it and America has a military base there, but so far the Danes arn't talking.

Should governments be able to sell off bits of territory? What about the people who live there, don't they get a say? Its not such an outlandish idea, we leased Hong Kong from China and America bought Alaska from Russia, but personally I don't think its an idea fit for the 21stC.
OnlineMSE  Male  Essex 16-Aug-2019 11:47 Message #4748874
I don't think you can compare our colonial era governorship of the New Territories of Hong Kong Island and Kowloon on the mainland in the same frame.
It was rather a prize ceded to us following our occupation and the result of the first and second Opium Wars with China. That was a constant thorn in their side. Which was why even though the area was ceded to us in perpetuity, there was no way the New Territories could have been separated once the lease was up for renegotiation, which China would never have agreed to anyway.

I can understand why a nation would want to purchase territory off another, for a strategic purpose especially in the case of Greenland where it's rumoured that Denmark are struggling to fund the self-governing territory. But this proposal is allegedly from Trump on his own (although I think it might cost him a bit more than the $100m President Truman offered for the US to buy it for back in 1946).
Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 16-Aug-2019 12:22 Message #4748876
I suspect many Hong Kongers would love to go back to pre 1997, it's such a shame to see the territory in chaos it is/was a wonderfully exciting place and I hope to revisit soon, if there is anything left to return to.
Perhaps Denmark could have a referendum, they are all the rage at the moment - who knows if the price is right they might go for it. I guess it's a good strategic location mid-way across the Atlantic.
I never really understand the argument that something shouldn't happen because it's the 21st century...
brisinger  Male  Lancashire 16-Aug-2019 13:21 Message #4748881
I would be up in arms if a government that is supposed to be representing me decided to sell the country I live in.
Templar2013  Male  South East London 16-Aug-2019 14:06 Message #4748882
It’s possible the occupants might welcome the sale. Greenland is a vast area with a very small population although I don’t know the facts and figures but it’s different to most other “countries”.

It probably makes sense for the US to purchase it and there’s no harm in asking.
wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 16-Aug-2019 18:48 Message #4748889
I would too Bris and I think there'd have to be a referendum at least and all sorts of things about laws, taxation and social services at least would need to be decided.

I wasn't comparing anything to how we got Hong Kong for 100 years or any other colonial era land grab, I used those two places in my OP to demonstrate that countries selling territories to each other isn't unprecedented.

To me the real issue is should governments have the right to do such a thing in the 21stC? It seems archaic to me, akin to selling people as presumably theyd go with the land?
RAACH84  Female  Buckinghamshire 16-Aug-2019 22:27 Message #4748897
Greenland was explained tonight as ten times the size of the U.K. with a population similar to the seaside town of Lowestoft. Is that accurate?
fosy  Male  Leicestershire 16-Aug-2019 22:46 Message #4748901
the population is around 57k.

the towns/villages are on the coastline, as three quarters is covered by a permanent ice sheet.
terry  Male  West Yorkshire 16-Aug-2019 22:54 Message #4748902
If it is Trump on his own offering to buy, you can guarantee any money used won't come out of his pocket, like so many of his personal empires he uses other people's money, skims the profit, then let's the companies go bankrupt, but hey, that's business.

On the point of 'what about the people', no one cares about the people in such situations, until they interfere with our lives then they're protestors, activists, troublemakers and all the rest, regardless of the country they live in.
Beach  Male  Dorset 17-Aug-2019 01:49 Message #4748911

Alaska was bought by America for $7.2M dollars from Russia back in 1867. (Equivalent to a mere $129M dollars today.)

It seemed like a bad deal to some but the Klondyke gold rush alone, produced over 20 million ounces of gold that, today, would be worth …20 million gold ounces … at $1513 per ounce???

I make that $30,250,000,000.

So it was bought for $129,000,000

But produced $30,250,000,000.

I'm pants at math but that's over $30 billion dollars profit, isn't it?

Maybe Trump has visions of doing another Alaska.

Was he planning to buy Greenland for himself or for the USA?
Beach  Male  Dorset 17-Aug-2019 01:51 Message #4748912
There is a precedence for this sort of thing though.

I think America also bought the Virgin Isles back along.
wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 17-Aug-2019 11:11 Message #4748932
It wasn't entirely clear whether he was buying it for himself or the USA, but he certainly used government legal specialists to find out the legality of the thing. Its my guess too that he's hoping to exploit any mineral reserves that may be found, seeing as he cares nothing for the environment wrecking a fairly pristine environment would be right up his street. It would also rub the Russians up the wrong way even more, I was thinking about it last night and I think the Scandinavians must be about the only group he's not had a spat or fallen out with.
OnlineMSE  Male  Essex 17-Aug-2019 11:49 Message #4748936
I think America also bought the Virgin Isles back along.

That's right the US Virgin Islands were previously known as the Danish West Indies of the Kingdom of Denmark–Norway, and they were sold to the United States by Denmark in the Treaty of the Danish West Indies of 1917 for $25m.

We'd already held the group of British Virgin Islands for about 250 years by then for "strategic reasons" !!, so I guess the Yanks saw it as a good investment.
Orson  Male  Tayside 20-Aug-2019 14:51 Message #4749156
One wonders if the "Septics" will use the aforementioned country as a deluxe frozen food store.

wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 21-Aug-2019 10:25 Message #4749189
The Danish PM said no, that Greenland belongs to Greenlanders and the days of buying and selling territories along with people had long gone. Trump's in a strop and has cancelled a visit, I can't help wondering if the Danes sighed with relief?
Beach  Male  Dorset 21-Aug-2019 14:42 Message #4749208
How rude of Greenland NOT to want to be bought by Mr Trump.

I mean; it's not as if he's thinking of all the lead, iron ore, zinc, diamonds, gold, rare earth elements, uranium and oil that will be far easier to mine for once the ice caps melt a little bit more!
wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 21-Aug-2019 18:56 Message #4749222
Exactly my thoughts too. A friend and I were talking about this earlier, he said when he frst saw that Trump wanted to buy Greenland he thought it was fake news and ignored it. Don't forget too that maybe Trump feels the need of another big military base, aside from the one the US already has on Greenland so as he can posture with Putin?
Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 22-Aug-2019 07:57 Message #4749261
To give this story some balance and fairness we should point out that China has expressed a desire to purchase Greenland too, although presumably in not such a direct businessman like way that makes the media take an interest. Or it could be just because it's Trump.
Greenland clearly has something to offer...
Templar2013  Male  South East London 22-Aug-2019 10:25 Message #4749271
I believe the news was slanted in an amusing way because it was Trump. Strategically it would make sense if the US did purchase and they have also got the resources to possibly mine natural minerals in such a vast area. It is very expensive for Denmark to own the land.
InSanityClaus  Male  Cornwall 22-Aug-2019 15:41 Message #4749291
Hot off the press:-Donald Trump has bought Poundland, he misread the advert and thought he was buying Poland
KatieBubbles  Female  West Sussex 22-Aug-2019 16:33 Message #4749297
It doesn't seem so ridiculous for Denmark to sell off Greenland as it costs them $700 million per year to support it. Also the occupants of Greenland may appreciate financial help or work opportunities from America as they have a much greater fear of global warming and lost livelihoods than most other countries.
HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 23-Aug-2019 06:15 Message #4749366
I’m sure Denmark would love to offload the Greenland territories and take a massive injection of cash but they will feel obligated to the few inhabitants.
wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 23-Aug-2019 10:18 Message #4749402
No Denmark has said absolutley that it dosen't want to off load Greenland and that Greenland may technically be Danish but in reality its its own. Greenlanders have said they don't want to be part of America. Why should cash be a consideration above people? The inhabitants of Greenland would be sold along with the land, does that sound right to any of you? Does it not sound like slavery?
persona_non_grata  Male  North London 26-Aug-2019 13:58 Message #4749688
America has based all sorts of military facilities on Greenland including nuclear.
Goodgeezer  Male  West Yorkshire 26-Aug-2019 17:20 Message #4749706
Trumps latest solution to climate problems is to "nuke hurricanes"!!!

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