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What does the story of Adam and Eve

teach us?

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Jeff  Male  East Sussex 13-Feb-2018 11:06 Message #4711741
Did Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden actually exist, and if so, then approximately how long ago?

Whether they existed or not, what is the moral lesson of their story in the bible?
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Timmee  Male  Hampshire 13-Feb-2018 11:34 Message #4711746
I'm pretty sure of the date - it was 4004 B.C.
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badman  Male  Suffolk 13-Feb-2018 11:43 Message #4711747
Well according to the bible, Adam and Eve had two sons. And they were the only people on the planet.
Then, one of the sons went and got himself a wife.

Have a think about that.

Take all the time you need.
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fosy  Male  Leicestershire 13-Feb-2018 12:08 Message #4711749
if you eat apples all sorts of bad shite will happen.
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Aely  Female  Hampshire 13-Feb-2018 12:55 Message #4711752
It's a very old creation myth. In my opinion it teaches of a time of "loss of innocence" in the development of human consciousness, the development of a realisation of taking responsibility for our actions instead of just getting on with living without guilt or the concept of good and bad. A time when "everything in the garden was rosy".

As a side effect it was also a way of blaming mankind's problems on the perfidious female influence, recognising that the average man is led by his willy and cannot resist the temptations of the temptress - no fault of his, of course.

Although it was the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that they ate, the story also implies that sex and sexuality, rather than being a natural function for the continuation of the species, like eating, drinking and excreting, has become a bad thing, but only for humans apparently.
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Timmee  Male  Hampshire 13-Feb-2018 13:12 Message #4711755
"Then, one of the sons went and got himself a wife. Have a think about that."

Possibly someone in the family was logging on to 'Incest dot Com' and it's been covered-up?
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 13-Feb-2018 13:20 Message #4711757
.."recognising that the average man is led by his willy and cannot resist the temptations of the temptress - no fault of his, of course"

Of course most men are, they are wired to reproduce, that's pretty much our one function in life. In just the same way most women are led by the desire to be a mother...
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londonlee  Male  Buckinghamshire 13-Feb-2018 15:45 Message #4711762
It'a a good story.
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Aely  Female  Hampshire 13-Feb-2018 16:01 Message #4711764
Like I said, no fault of his. We are what we are. The Knowledge fruit supposedly lets us recognise when certain behaviour damages others and to decide whether or not to modify our behaviour for the good of others.

They saw that they were naked and were ashamed. Why? Ashamed of a body supposedly made in the image of their creator? Doesn't make sense really, does it? Humans are quite badly designed in some ways though. No protective fur to guard against excessive cold or sun, infants having nothing to cling onto and male reproductive organs very exposed. They saw that they were naked and were vulnerable would have made more sense.

Actually the most sensible thing would be for bible readers to realise that the creation myth is allegorical, not "gospel".

Allegory
a story, play, poem, picture, or other work in which the characters and events represent particular qualities or ideas that relate to morals, religion, or politics
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Minnie-the-Minx  Female  Hertfordshire 13-Feb-2018 17:15 Message #4711771
I don't what it is meant to mean, but for me, I learned never to believe what a snake says and to accept that men will always blame women for everything that goes wrong.
Hang on a minute. A talking snake? What am I thinking?
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badman  Male  Suffolk 13-Feb-2018 17:30 Message #4711773
There was a talking snake in Disneys Robin Hood.

It was real.
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Minnie-the-Minx  Female  Hertfordshire 13-Feb-2018 20:02 Message #4711780
And the Jungle Book.

I met one on a night out once, too.
Male
tsunamiwarrior  Male  Hertfordshire 13-Feb-2018 20:23 Message #4711781
I was having a talk with Balaam's donkey and he reckons snakes are right chatter boxes.
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tumbleweed  Male  Gloucestershire 13-Feb-2018 20:34 Message #4711782
They definitely existed. They were cockneys,and they came up with a way of saying 'believe', and it was even named after them.

You had better Adam and Eve it!

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eurostar  Female  Merseyside 13-Feb-2018 21:03 Message #4711784
my history teacher said there was Neanderthals first, no mention of adam and eve???
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 13-Feb-2018 21:50 Message #4711787
"if you eat apples all sorts of bad shite will happen."

If you make a pudding with an apple filling, it's called Eve's pudding...
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brisinger  Male  Lancashire 13-Feb-2018 22:12 Message #4711791
my history teacher said there was Neanderthals first

Ah so Adam was a teenager...
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Timmee  Male  Hampshire 14-Feb-2018 09:08 Message #4711804
"If you make a pudding with an apple filling, it's called Eve's pudding..."

It's lucky that apples grow on trees rather than bushes then.
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Argonaut  Male  Lancashire 14-Feb-2018 09:39 Message #4711808
Belief in the Adam and Eve story is a good indication of whether a person is going to believe in the rest of the rubbish in the Bible.

The story can't be allegorical because that's a Greek word - and they didn't arrive on the scene until much later!






Jason.
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 14-Feb-2018 11:37 Message #4711812
What language did Adam and Eve speak then?
Male
badman  Male  Suffolk 14-Feb-2018 11:57 Message #4711816
The language of lerve.
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Jeff  Male  East Sussex 18-Feb-2018 15:08 Message #4711984
Badman: "Well according to the bible, Adam and Eve had two sons. And they were the only people on the planet. Then, one of the sons went and got himself a wife."
Timmee: Possibly someone in the family was logging on to 'Incest dot Com'"

Genesis 5:3-5 says "When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died."
(One Islamic theory is that Eve produced 120 twins.)

The bible doesn't prohibit incest until later, (e.g. Leviticus 18).

Believers say that incest didn't cause genetic abnormalities because in Adam's time their DNA had no faults.


I just tried to see whether incest dot com exists, but my antivirus prevented it because of malware! That could be divine intervention.
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Jeff  Male  East Sussex 18-Feb-2018 15:11 Message #4711985
Aely,

"a time of "loss of innocence" in the development of human consciousness"

I don't understand any of that. Can you please explain what you mean?


"taking responsibility for our actions instead of just getting on with living without guilt or the concept of good and bad"

Weren't people taught to accept responsibility for their actions before Genesis was written?

Genesis 2:16-17 says "And the Lord God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."
Does this mean that we shouldn't know the difference between good and evil?


"The Knowledge fruit supposedly lets us recognise when certain behaviour damages others"

Surely it is good to have that knowledge. So why did God prohibit it?


"Allegory ... ideas that relate to morals ...".

Would anyone who believe that the story has moral lessons, (whether it not it actually happened, whether in the bible or the different version in the qur'an), please contribute. I'll wait a bit longer before giving my thoughts on the story.
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Timmee  Male  Hampshire 18-Feb-2018 20:44 Message #4712018
Very interesting stuff on the fecundity of Adam & Eve and their offspring - thank you Jeff. Not having spent much time reading the bible, I did not know those details (or maybe I'd forgotten).
(Never let it be said you can't learn stuff from the MSE forums.)

ps. "I just tried to see whether incest dot com exists, but my antivirus prevented it because of malware!"

LOL. 'Incest dot com' was a literary invention of my own devising - but it was base on my extensive knowledge of porn websites. I've just tried it in my URL bar and apparently in does not exist by a webiste along those lines popped up in its stead.
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Sea Urchin  Female  Essex 19-Feb-2018 00:30 Message #4712023
I find this all fascinating and the fact that Eve was created from a spare rib and yet science has still not advanced enough, to perfect even a brain transplant. Yet God managed to create a female being; brain and everything that goes with it, from just a rib. Amazing! And both Adam and Eve were created wired up with language and could converse with each other and God, unless of course they purely mimed everything? If however Adam and Eve were the first human beings, why did everybody who came after, not speak only the same language, that of Adam and Eve? Surely there would only have been one language for all of mankind? When did people decide to invent different languages that required translations to understand others? Unless of course Adam and Eve were not the first and there were different types of people in different parts of the world? As to what the story tells us, apart from that God can do the impossible, only that if you pick an apple when told not to, you will then have to suffer the consequences.

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