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Do you believe in Evolution, or a Creator ?

Maybe you believe in both. ?


Sea  Female  Essex
13-Apr-2020 13:04 Message #4776560
I have always been intrigued as to how God created Adam and Eve as fully grown human beings, complete with language skills? No mention of them ever being babies. no breast feeding, weening, potty training etc. Although God had many skills, perhaps breast feeding wasn't one of them? And how were they considered to be related to God? There seems to be no mention of them being his son and daughter. Why? Were these just experimental people he dabble with from his box of body parts and of no consequence until Jesus came along? Why was Adam not considered his first son? And why should Mary a single woman, who met up with Joseph a widower be considered the mother of God's son? An unexplained birth, where Mary knew that God was definitely the father? How did she know it was Gods son and of course she was a virgin?

NoSaint  Female  Devon
13-Apr-2020 13:21 Message #4776564
Believing in God is easy and I understand why so many do but believing in stories invented by so many imaginative authors is impossible.

wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd
16-Apr-2020 10:20 Message #4776867
Where did Adam and Eve's daughters in law come from?

I find the big bang theory just as meaningless as Adam and Eve. Its quite likely that we do have a genetic Adam and Eve, geneticists do seem to have traced the mitochrondrial DNA to one woman, Y Chromasome DNA dosen't survive as well so its a bit harder to trace father lines, than mother lines

So Mary and Joseph never had sex then? So where do Jesus's brother's come from? Many cultures have an idea of a holy child, it may be one concieved after a religious ceremony, a visit to a particular shrine, reproductive interentions arn't the preserve of Christianity, some times the Gods come to you directly, Zeus was a bit of a pest by all accounts.

Gilpin  Female  Middlesex
19-Apr-2020 20:16 Message #4777286
Well according to science, or discoveries by scientists, our DNA could have been brought here on a meteorite from outer space, I read in a science magazine. New Scientist I think it was.

Scientists have found the building blocks of DNA on a meteorite that came here from outerspace and which they think could have been a vital source of the organic compounds which started life on earth.

So we are from outerspace. And earth had … the right environment to create life.

Jeff  Male  East Sussex
19-Apr-2020 21:25 Message #4777293
Maybe you are referring to dated 03-Mar-20 which includes:-
"A team of researchers claim to have found a protein inside a meteorite. It would be the first protein ever discovered from beyond Earth, though not an indication of alien life – and other scientists are sceptical the analysis really found anything at all.
We know that amino acids, which are organic compounds that act as the building blocks of life, can form on meteors and other space rocks. But the extent of prebiotic chemistry beyond Earth is still unknown, and how that chemistry turns into life is even more mysterious.
That is partly because the process of looking for organic compounds in meteorites on Earth is extremely difficult. ...
Julie McGeoch, also at Harvard University, and her colleagues analysed a pristine sample of a meteorite that was found in Algeria in 1990. ...
When they examined the gases, the researchers found a combination of amino acids and additional atoms, which they say is evidence for the first extraterrestrial protein. When contacted by New Scientist, they declined to comment on their work."

The famous 1952 experiment by Stanley Miller & Harold Urey simulated possible conditions on an early Earth by heating a mixture of water, methane, ammonia & hydrogen, applying high voltages then cooling it, then they found that some amino acids formed, which are among the building blocks of life. Later experiments found more. So it is possible that a meteorite contains them. But it is hard to ensure that the meteorite isn't contaminated.

Laurence Krauss's book "A Universe from Nothing" includes: "The amazing thing is that every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution - weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way they could get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode. So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today."

Again that is abiogenesis rather than evolution.

Jeff  Male  East Sussex
3-May-2020 14:49 Message #4778856
NoSaintL "believing in stories invented by so many imaginative authors is impossible."

But the majority of the world's population believe such stories in various religions.

NoSaint: "I don’t think any sane person could deny evolution."

I don't think that people who deny evolution are insane.

(a) Although I accept evolution, there are good reasons to question it (See thread "Evolution Questions and Answers" that I referred to in this thread on 13-Apr-20 at 12:24.).
I suspect that there might be a mechanism more than chance to the variations (which act in conjunction with natural selection). On 11-Jul-19 at a Sussex Programme for Quantum Research event, I suggested to Jim Al-Khalili my idea that time reversal could help evolution to select a favourable path, but he replied that there are more down-to-earth explanations, but I'm still unsure about that aspect.

(b) There are some very sane, intelligent and sincere people who deny evolution.

(c) There are some very sane, intelligent and dishonest people who deny evolution.

(d) I suspect that the majority of sane, intelligent, sincere people who don't accept just follow what their leaders quote from their holy texts, who have been discouraged from considering what proponents of evolution actually say.

Many of (b), (c) and (d) believe that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. I have watched numerous videos by people in categories (b) and (c) who pervert what evolutionists write and say, omitting crucial points and ignoring much evidence. For some of those people it is very difficult to distinguish (b) and (c).

Jeff  Male  East Sussex
3-May-2020 14:51 Message #4778857
What you are told when young is often extremely difficult to remove in later life. Watch Ken Ham's extremely attractive (but wrong) teaching of children in YouTube video
"Ken Ham: Dinosaurs For Kids" Some notable quotes from it are:-

(a) About 8 min 20 sec: "I call the bible ... The history book of the universe. Let's say that together."

(b) About 10 min 50 sec: "When I say evolution and millions of years, we learn that is Fiction."

(c) About 19 min 45 sec: "Dinosaurs and people lived at the same time.".

(d) About 20 min 45 sec: "The next time somebody says 'millions of years' ... you can say 'were you there?'."

(e) About 21 min 40 sec: "Who's the only one who's always been there? God. Who's the only one who knows everything? God. So who should you always trust first, God or the scientists? God."

(f) About 26 min 10 sec: "So we think that many of the dragon legends were based on encounters with dinosaurs."

(g) About 54 min 25 sec: "Would you want to be outside the Ark? No. And, boys and girls, there's another judgement coming. Not by water next time. By what? Fire. Has God provided an Ark of salvation for us? Yes. Who's that Ark of salvation? Jesus."

(h) About 1 hr 8 min 25 sec: "Man has contributed hardly anything to climate change. ... Al Gore gets it all wrong because he doesn't believe the bible."

(i) About 1 hr 10 min 5 sec: Who found the first dinosaur? Have a guess. Adam."

(j) About 1 hr 10 min 35 sec: "How can you have prehistoric anything when history began from when it was recorded in Genesis 1:1? Mums and dads ... We need to make sure we teach them the Christian perspective."

(k) About 1 hr 14 min 50 sec: "... millions years, it's indoctrinating children ... millions years, brainwashing children ... Hey boys and girls, aren't you pleased there's a Creation museum that tells you the truth? Absolutely." (Applause.)

Victoriana11  Female  Buckinghamshire
4-May-2020 13:51 Message #4778917
Jeff, you are very clever with all this information - I do read it, sometimes several times over. I am learning things all the time . Thank you

FirmButFair-TrollPatrol  Male  North Yorkshire
4-May-2020 14:08 Message #4778919
NoSaint 13-Apr-2020 13:21
Believing in God is easy and I understand why so many do but believing in stories invented by so many imaginative authors is impossible.

Simple and to the point.

LadyVera  Female  Cumbria
4-May-2020 14:37 Message #4778920
It is amazing that after hundreds of years and thousands of discussions we are no closer to knowing the truth. Those who believe in god continue to do so and those who don't believe in god continue to not do so.
Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and I don't understand those who seem to be on a mission to convert others with a "I believe THIS is true and I am right, therefore you should all believe the same as me" attitudes.

BigAl  Male  Devon
4-May-2020 19:38 Message #4778952
I believe a supreme being or 'God' created the universe & everything in it. He then observed how the solar system, and planet Earth in particular, would evolve. He does not interfere in any way, just observes.

tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire
4-May-2020 20:07 Message #4778954
He does not interfere in any way, just observes.

I usually answer that one with the well used answer........'He can't be much of a God then'

I would expect someone deserved of being a God to be able to do more than observe......

HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire
5-May-2020 00:05 Message #4778970
He does not interfere in any way, just observes.

It can make sense. If you had an enormous ant colony of 7 billion ants you might control the overall environment but I doubt you would do much to control individual ants.

tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire
5-May-2020 10:15 Message #4778984
Adam Ant needed a bit of controlling.....and 'Ant and Dec' Ant as well.....and my Aunt when she'd had a few.....


Gilpin  Female  Middlesex
5-May-2020 10:40 Message #4778990
Are we ants to him? Well he has a choice, so fair doos.

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