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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 10-Apr-2019 09:59 Message #4738358
"Since you have NOT, to my knowledge, stood for election as spokesperson for anyone but yourself, I suggest that you step down from that self aggrandizing (faux) position and speak for yourself alone. "

That's a bit rich coming from someone who took it upon themself to suggest to the real people in charge that this thread should be blocked and archived because YOU didn't like the way it was going...
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 10-Apr-2019 10:01 Message #4738359
Between 2004 and 2008, the Iranian-backed Mahdi Army militia, led by Muqtada al-Sadr, killed at least 70 British soldiers, not to mention thousands of Iraqi civilians. Last February, the man who might become the next leader of the Labour Party shared a platform with al-Sadr’s British representative.
Jeremy Corbyn was helping Sayyed Hassan al-Sadr celebrate “the all-encompassing revolution,” the 35th anniversary of the ayatollahs’ takeover in Iran.

Corbyn again.
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 10-Apr-2019 11:22 Message #4738362
The British also backed the Shah and his atrocities in what was Persia. The all-encompassing revolution was the overthrow of that dictator. The Brits. lost that war, and Iran is the one country in the middle east that was not colonised in the land and power grab when the Ottomans were defeated.

It is a long and tortuous history, and Iran is entitled to its independence celebrations, that we must degrade. I don't think either, that you can isolate 78 British soldiers being killed when the death toll committed by western allies in the middle east is 600,000, and that is incomplete.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 10-Apr-2019 11:25 Message #4738363
Mr Corbyn has taken thousands of pounds in gifts from organisations closely linked to the terror group Hamas, whose operatives he once described as “friends”.
He has travelled to Tehran at the expense of a secretive British-Iranian multi-millionaire who has employed a number of other British parliamentarians as consultants to build business links with the country.
He has hosted, promoted and vigorously defended vicious anti-Semites and racists. Nor, of course, was the al-Sadr talk the first time that Mr Corbyn came a little too close to killers of British troops. From the mid-Eighties, a decade before the IRA ceasefire, he worked hard to build links between Labour and the Provos, regularly hosting senior figures from their political wing in Parliament, calling for British withdrawal from Northern Ireland and paying tribute to deceased terrorists.

Corbyn!
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 10-Apr-2019 11:26 Message #4738364
The Brits. lost that war,

Music to Corbyn’s ears!
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 10-Apr-2019 11:48 Message #4738368
Hmm … are you saying Corbyn accepted bribes from terrorists. That is open to libel if untrue. Which groups were they? You don't reference any of your accusations, he is leader of the opposition you know.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 10-Apr-2019 11:58 Message #4738369
These days, however, it is Islamist causes that claim more of Mr Corbyn’s attention. Others on the Left may support negotiating with Hamas, whose aim remains the complete destruction of Israel and which continues to kill civilians, but no other MP does so with quite the frequency and fervour of Mr Corbyn.
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 10-Apr-2019 12:10 Message #4738370
Israel has the backing of the US, and the powerful Jewish lobby in the White House. Nobody would dare. Israel does as it pleases. And criticism is discouraged.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 10-Apr-2019 12:42 Message #4738373
Revealed: Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell's close IRA links
Telegraph investigation shows Labour's new leader Jeremy Corbyn and shadow chancellor John McDonnell have long been associated with the Irish terror group.

It can be disclosed that for seven years running, while the IRA “armed struggle” was at its height, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.”
The official programme for the 1988 event, held one week after the IRA murdered three British servicemen in the Netherlands, states that “force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united Socialist Ireland.” Mr Corbyn used the event to attack the Anglo-Irish Agreement, the precursor of the peace process.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Apr-2019 12:55 Message #4738374
Hierophant 10-Apr-2019 09:59

Not in the least, old boy.
This is all OFF Topic
Bringing the Forum and MSE into disrepute by the likes of you, name calling, throwing abuse, etc as outlined in my original post.

Pull yourself together, Sir.
At least try to uphold the democratic traditions of this fine country of ours.

Every word you write undermines the confidence the 100s of readers used to have in the fair play exhibited by the rational ppl who used to post on here. It's no wonder they no longer post given you and your "herd" bullying and abusing anyone who deviates from your Colonel Blimp set of views.
Compared with you and the "herd", the youngsters of today are angels of well thought out and rational behaviour.

Don't you hear even your own youngsters laughing at your ridiculous opinions and then creeping out of your company in embarrassment?
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Apr-2019 13:02 Message #4738375
HotOrWot 10-Apr-2019 10:01
Your posting

Between 2004 and 2008, the Iranian-backed Mahdi Army militia, led by Muqtada al-Sadr, killed at least 70 British soldiers, not to mention thousands of Iraqi civilians. Last February, the man who might become the next leader of the Labour Party shared a platform with al-Sadr’s British representative.


Andrew Gilligan's article = 11:10PM BST 18 Jul 2015

Between 2004 and 2008, the Iranian-backed Mahdi Army militia, led by Muqtada al-Sadr, killed at least 70 British soldiers, not to mention thousands of Iraqi civilians. Last February, the man who might become the next leader of the Labour Party shared a platform with al-Sadr’s British representative.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11749043/Andrew-Gilligan-Jeremy-Corbyn-friend-to-Hamas-Iran-and-extremists.html

How long have you been having these delusions that you are a Copy & Paste machine?
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 10-Apr-2019 13:11 Message #4738376
"Every word you write undermines the confidence the 100s of readers used to have in the fair play .."

Wow, really, 100s of readers hang on my every word? I never realised I was so popular on here, I know I'm a brilliant contributor whose posts are eagerly awaited by many, but nonetheless, such words truly warm my heart.
One word of caution though, I think you might be hugely over estimating the number of readers on here, and as for your point about youngsters... lol
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Apr-2019 13:16 Message #4738377
One can glean at least something from HOW's postings of other ppl's hard work, and pretending that they're his own.
He confirms, without doubt, that
Certain anti-democratic countries, the British Establishment, the Spivs, Wideboys, Pirateers, OilyGarks, Sovereign Investment Fund holders are scared rigid that even the Centre Left Mr Corbyn and his mild-left comrades will be voted into power with the landslide expected.

When this happens, an end will be brought to these leeches sucking the life blood from OUR country.
The centerists and those to the right of them, stamp their feet in anger about keeping Trident and ditching EU membership - To hold and regain our freedoms.
A Freedom where our essential services (Water, Gas, Elec, Transport) are held, and completely controlled by Foreign, Private Investment funds.

It'll be great to have Trident to fall back on when suddenly all our essentials are turned off and we're being starved to death.
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RAACH84  Female  Buckinghamshire 10-Apr-2019 13:46 Message #4738378
Dear Good2BWith I’m surprised you feel I was in any way speaking on behalf of anyone else. I observed that you were insulting almost everyone who didn’t agree with your views. I felt I made the point quite politely.
There is nothing I have said that wasn’t on the thread for all to see. Like most in here I don’t like Corbyn but that doesn’t reflect my political views only my views that he should not be representing the British people in any way as he doesnt seem to like them very much.

Hierophant’s posts are always interesting and he makes a point without being rude.

HOW’s posts are obviously winding you up but I don’t think anyone but you thinks he is pretending the words are his. He is just copy and pasting news items already in the public domain.

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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Apr-2019 14:04 Message #4738379
Hierophant 10-Apr-2019 13:11 wrote:
One word of caution though, I think you might be hugely over estimating the number of readers on here


Not content with running down your own country and bringing disrepute on MSE, you now bite the hand of what is probably the only online Forum that will allow you space for your rank buffoonery.
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tumbleweed  Male  Gloucestershire 10-Apr-2019 14:12 Message #4738381
It's what g2b does. He takes all of the trolling things that he does himself, turns them around, then throws them at anyone that he can. Everyone is in his firing line, and anything he ever accuses anyone of, he actually is the main culprit of those things.

He will be currently looking up some big words to chuck back at me. Thinking it makes him look superior to us all, that he knows a big word, when it really boils down to his inferiority complex, masquerading as a superiority complex.

All the big words will be wasted on me though, as I don't understand any big words. Masquerading is probably the biggest word I have ever used.

Anyway, he can some up with any old pompous crap in response to this. Call me what you want g2b, I won't be bothering to respond to it...Or maybe I will, who knows.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Apr-2019 14:21 Message #4738382
RAACH84 10-Apr-2019 13:46

You really should:

^ "Get out more",
^ meet other than those ppl who confirm your deep prejudices,
^ try reading other than The Mail, Sun, Telegraph, Express, Star
^ realize that the Guardian is, and always has been, a Liberal supporting newspaper, ditto its Sunday version.
Without the support of the LibDems & Libs, Mr Cameron could never have Got us into this fine Mess (Laurel & Hardy-ish)
^ NOT enter into any form of examination system where you think you can plagiarize with impunity
^ NOT pass on your justification of plagiarizm to youngsters, or anyone else, still in the education system
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 10-Apr-2019 14:28 Message #4738383
RAACH84

Insulting in a personal way on forums invariably means the person has lost the argument, cannot take criticism, and all that is left is verbal bashing.

Because he can't win, or doesn't have enough knowledge of the actual topic, but posts clips off various sites instead, insulting the other poster is somehow gratifying.

Especially when proved wrong, then they go into overdrive and bash everything in sight.

Poor old G2BW is such a good example of this, it's fascinating. I shall await with interest his apoplectic response.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Apr-2019 14:34 Message #4738385
tumbleweed 10-Apr-2019 14:12
I won't be bothering to respond to it...Or maybe I will, who knows.


And, who cares in the real world outside your frozen in time existence.

I do think your demagogic style Suits you, Sir - I can imagine you standing on your soapbox, wrapped in the cross of St George of course, demanding a return to the mores of yesteryear where men were men, women should be "Barefoot and pregnant before the kitchen sink" and anyone slightly darker in skin colouration than you, or spoke with other than an RP accent, were not REAL humans so were not entitled to any human rights whatsoever.

No dogs, No ... etc as the notice used to read. Aye, those were(n't) the days.
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RAACH84  Female  Buckinghamshire 10-Apr-2019 14:49 Message #4738386
Gilpin. I think you are right. I noticed that everyone was completely ignoring G2BW so I tried to respond sensibly but was obviously wasting my time because it only attracted more insults and assumptions.

I think you have him well summed up.
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tumbleweed  Male  Gloucestershire 10-Apr-2019 14:56 Message #4738387
I think you have him well summed up.

hand in the air...

and I do, Miss.
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terry  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Apr-2019 14:57 Message #4738388
I dare say a psycholigist or the ilk, would have a field day on here. It leaves me wondering if out of the all the posters there aren't at least two talking and arguing to themselves...perhaps in their own minds putting both sides of an argument.

Whilst accepting some posters have, in their minds, valid beliefs and reasons for disliking Mr Corbyn as a possible leader of this country some of which do seem reasonable, using his wish to find peaceful solutions to national and international issues is in my mind the wrong road to take.
Using his discussions with the IRA, Palestinian organisations and other so called 'terrorist' organisations doesn't help anyone's argument. How can peace be achieved if warring groups don't talk? are we to think back on Martin Luther King Jr. and the Dalai Lama as supporters of murderers?

Bringing Palestine into the discussion is I think a really risky manouver, there are many who believe - and could probably bring evidence to support - Israel has committed as many atrocities on the Palestinian people as they have on the Israelis. If such is going to be used in a discussion, it may well be worth asking the question, please define the word 'terrorist'? I'm sure whilst many will refer to the dictionary definition, equally as many will consider it relates to many different people or groups depending on your views.

One thing I do like about Mr Corbyn is throughout his career, he seems to have been consistent in trying to find a way forward by dialogue. I may be wrong, never having been privvy to his discussions and even after many posts from many posters on this thread and others on this site suggesting otherwise...I'm willing to accept to being a dreamer preferring peace to war, but that opens up a whole new thread.
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Cautious1954  Female  Berkshire 10-Apr-2019 15:04 Message #4738389
There is a big difference to inviting the terrorist to discuss peace and backing the terrorist against his own people. Corbyn has always taken the anti-British side in every argument.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Apr-2019 18:49 Message #4738392
@Cautious1954 10-Apr-2019 15:04

Might one suggest that you read the (IMO) balanced and thought-provoking piece posted as follows:
terry West Yorkshire 10-Apr-2019 14:57 Message #4738388

You may also wish to reflect on the FACT that time and again those who were in control of, and massively benefiting from, the Empire, were lavish with their use of the designation Terrorist for opponents to their jackbooted asset stripping of other's inheritance.

Mrs Thatcher was reputed to have publicly labelled Nelson Mandela as a terrorist.
And the Hard-Right Heritage Foundation never got over him being invited to meet Mr G Bush and were outraged by him
address(ing) a joint meeting of Congress ... joining the ranks of Winston Churchill, Charles de Gaulle, Douglas MacArthur, and more recently Vaclav Havel and 1,echValesa. (sic)
https://www.heritage.org/africa/report/mandelas-visit-some-words-caution

It seemed that most of the democratically elected leaders of the countries which were invited to join their onetime oppressors in the Empire transmogrified into a Commonwealth, had spent considerable amounts of time in jail accused of being terrorists.
Accused, not tried, never mind convicted.
And were actually allowed to meet The Queen
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Apr-2019 20:21 Message #4738398
Government sacks Roger Scruton after remarks about Soros and Islamophobia

A spokesman for the Ministry of Housing said: “Prof Sir Roger Scruton has been dismissed as chairman of the Building Better, Building Beautiful commission with immediate effect, following his unacceptable comments.”

“Anybody who doesn’t think that there’s a Soros empire in Hungary has not observed the facts,” Scruton told the magazine. (New Statesman)

Scruton, ... denied that he was antisemitic or Islamophobic. He said Islamophobia had been “invented by the Muslim Brotherhood in order to stop discussion of a major issue”.

Scruton also said: “Hungarians were extremely alarmed by the sudden invasion of huge tribes of Muslims”, and accused the Chinese of “creating robots out of their own people”.

A spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain said: “As the Conservative party faces its latest crisis on Islamophobia, it cannot continue with false promises to take the issue seriously … The reality is that these concerns will continue to recur until trust is rebuilt through – in part – an independent inquiry into Islamophobia in the party.”


https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/apr/10/roger-scruton-calls-for-dismissal-islamophobiad-soros-remarks

And so even the highest will be swept away, for:

The Times they really are a-changing


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