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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 8-Apr-2019 23:18 Message #4738271
NotHermit 6-Apr-2019 08:31
... but Corbyn is daft enough to disarm his own country.

You are well aware that is a complete fabrication and has as much credibility as the EEC/EU demanding straight bananas and cucumbers.

Do at least make some effort to avoid giving yourself a reputation for mistaking street/pub gossip for verifiable fact.
I know it's hard, but you can do it if you try - children do it every day at school.
Now there's an idea ...
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 8-Apr-2019 23:18 Message #4738272
An example of this Cautious.

In a debate in the House of Commons, Corbyn could only bring himself to say, “I have no support for ISIS whatsoever,” by raising British treatment of the Kenyan Mau Mau rebels six decades earlier, saying, “The way in which they had been treated by the British Army in Kenya in 1955 was disgusting.

He is anti-British. He doesn’t like us at all.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 8-Apr-2019 23:20 Message #4738273
Corbyn does the same with al Qaeda. He is willing to concede that the 9/11 attacks were a tragedy only in the context of what he regards as other, equal tragedies—including Osama bin Laden’s death, the Iraq War, the “attack on Afghanistan,” the detention center at Guantánamo Bay, and the Bagram military prison.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 8-Apr-2019 23:48 Message #4738274
tumbleweed 8-Apr-2019 23:05

1.0 I think it may be said that this latest posting from you illustrates quite clearly your loss of control in this matter

2.0 When protesting to your local newspaper, the Mail or even the Sun about the unrelenting tide of progressive reforms which are sweeping you and your "herd" away, do you write in Green ink on Red paper - it's said to be an indicator.

3.0 Your appreciation of the extraordinary richness of (British) English has been down-graded and coarsened, by the company you keep, to such an extent that you are not able to differentiate between the appropriate use of "backside" versus "arse".
Please do not try to attribute your lack of judgement and knowledge of OUR fine language to me in an effort to support your calumnies.

Poor show, old boy. Damned, poor, show.
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tumbleweed  Male  Gloucestershire 9-Apr-2019 00:10 Message #4738275
Isn't 'backside versus arse', just you having a debate with yourself?
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 9-Apr-2019 00:15 Message #4738276
Corbyn is daft enough to disarm his own country

I remember watching this on TV.
Jeremy said he would get rid of nuclear weapons, and the submarines would carry conventional weapons.
That would be like replacing army rifles, and giving them cork guns.
Jeremy is very worrying when it comes to the defence of the UK.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 9-Apr-2019 00:27 Message #4738277
HotOrWot Lancashire 8-Apr-2019 23:18 new Message #4738272
And
HotOrWot 8-Apr-2019 23:20

It looks like you've rather overdone Mr Regev's request and you're being starved of his hourly briefings.

Left on your own, you now appear as an apologist for the inhuman treatment of Mau Mau suspects and other Kikuyu

confining some 1.5 million Kenyans to a network of detention camps and heavily patrolled villages. It was a tale of systematic violence and high-level cover-ups.

“a murderous campaign to eliminate Kikuyu people, a campaign that left tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, dead”.

collective punishment that colonial authorities imposed on large areas of the country.

Hundreds of thousands suffered beatings and sexual assaults during "screenings" intended to extract information about the Mau Mau threat.

Significant numbers were murdered.

Prisoners were questioned with the help of "slicing off ears, boring holes in eardrums, burning eardrums with lit cigarettes, flogging until death, pouring paraffin over suspects who were then set alight".

Castration by British troops and denying access to medical aid to the detainees were also widespread and common.

Among the detainees who suffered severe mistreatment was Hussein Onyango Obama, the grandfather of Barack Obama, the former President of the United States.
According to his widow:
British soldiers forced pins into his fingernails and buttocks and squeezed his testicles between metal rods
Two others were castrated.

(Various sources)

Proud of your role as an apologist for that behaviour, are you?
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 9-Apr-2019 00:30 Message #4738278
NotHermit Sex icon 9-Apr-2019 00:15
Corbyn is daft enough to disarm his own country

I remember watching this on TV.
Jeremy said he would get rid of nuclear weapons, and the submarines would carry conventional weapons.
That would be like replacing army rifles, and giving them cork guns.
Jeremy is very worrying when it comes to the defence of the UK.


Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 9-Apr-2019 00:34 Message #4738279
tumbleweed S9-Apr-2019 00:10
Isn't 'backside versus arse', just you having a debate with yourself?


Some advice from Mark Twain (?) which applies exactly to you.

Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 9-Apr-2019 00:37 Message #4738280
Correction

NotHermit 9-Apr-2019 00:15
Corbyn is daft enough to disarm his own country

I remember watching this on TV.
Jeremy said he would get rid of nuclear weapons, and the submarines would carry conventional weapons.
That would be like replacing army rifles, and giving them cork guns.
Jeremy is very worrying when it comes to the defence of the UK.


Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt.
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tumbleweed  Male  Gloucestershire 9-Apr-2019 00:48 Message #4738281
You don't learn by your mistakes g2b, do you?

Mistake after mistake after mistake.

In the words of another famous Twain, Shania, 'That don't impress me much'

Or with the sex icon thing you perhaps should be saying 'Man!, I feel like a woman!'
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 9-Apr-2019 05:27 Message #4738283
tumbleweed 9-Apr-2019 00:48
'Man!, I feel like a woman!'

Every time you open your mouth or touch your keyboard, you reveal your deep-seated need to spew out Hate Speak, and exaggerations.

You very rarely reference the post you're responding to as is the accepted convention.
Are you "above" such niceties?
Or just bone idle?
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 9-Apr-2019 06:53 Message #4738287
Furthermore, if Britain and United States are not so morally superior, then retaliation against their policies becomes entirely understandable. Discussing the attacks in Washington and New York less than a month after 9/11, Corbyn told Parliament that “what goes around comes around.” It was time for “people in the United States … [to] think also about some of the regimes and friendships that they have spawned over the years,” he said.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 9-Apr-2019 06:53 Message #4738288
Then, three days after al Qaeda’s suicide bombings in London in July 2005, Corbyn spoke at a Stop the War Coalition rally in the city to stress the reason that civilians there were being blown up on trains and buses was “because of the way we inflict an insecurity on so many other people around the world. We have to be very clear about that.”

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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 9-Apr-2019 06:55 Message #4738289
At another Stop the War rally (before becoming leader of the Labour Party, attending Stop the War rallies constituted a significant part of Corbyn’s life), he said the Islamic State’s beheading of Alan Henning, a British aid worker, was “the price of jingoism.”

he said the Islamic State’s beheading of Alan Henning, a British aid worker, was “the price of jingoism.”

Is Corbyn for real?
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The_Snow_Covered_Fool  Male  Cheshire 9-Apr-2019 10:09 Message #4738294
There seems to one or two more apologists on this thread than the one elluded to.




Chris.
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Nigel_In_Devon  Male  Devon 9-Apr-2019 10:18 Message #4738299
"Is Corbyn for real?"

If you look hard enough, can you see the strings attached to his body that are being manipulated by the Momentum puppet masters?
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 9-Apr-2019 10:43 Message #4738301
Lyn, I think paradox's are part of the human condition, some people are good with small groups or one to one, but that dosen't make them good with larger groups and it definately dosn't make them good leaders. I am not and was never a Blairite, but that dosen't make me feel more trusting towards Corbyn, not only do I think he lacks leadership qualities, but I doubt that he's really sincere about some of the things that are in the LP manifesto, like a second referendum. Not trusting Corbyn dosen't make me blind to whats been happening under this government and I'd be quite happy to live in a fairer society and speaking as an only child I'm quite happy to share my toys.

I think the inability of many Corbyn supporters such as yourself to see any fault in the man, in his past actions and what that might mean for the future does a disservice to both your cause, to politics in general and to yourself.

If we need anything in politics today its someone with the ability to listen, accept what they've heard and take action on it, to be a strong and flexible leader able to take people with them, not drive them further apart. From what I've been reading many young people are leaving Labour and turning to the LibDems and the Greens because they're disillussioned with Corbyn.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 9-Apr-2019 10:56 Message #4738305
"I think the inability of many Corbyn supporters such as yourself to see any fault in the man,"

And to look beyond him to the Labour party as a whole.
It's all "Corbyn will do this", "Corbyn will do that" - being so obsessed with one person, when in reality you vote for your local MP and a party as a whole, seems really scary and rather odd to me.
I wonder what these people will do if Corbyn steps down or is ousted, who they will cling to instead...
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fosy  Male  Leicestershire 9-Apr-2019 11:30 Message #4738307
"You don't learn by your mistakes g2b, do you? "

trolls are above learning, and this one is getting more condescending day by day, a sign of troll frustration.

here,s a thought, as this one has taken up near full time residence on mse, i wonder how many other platforms the troll has been banned from...just a thought ?

by all means talk about the trolls, but not too them, as that is manna from heaven for them.
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 9-Apr-2019 12:45 Message #4738309
HoW

“the price of jingoism.”

wow, I wasn't aware of that. What an idiot, this self professed peace maker could start a war on his own. And it's really nothing to do with jingoism.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 9-Apr-2019 13:36 Message #4738310
1.0 The mission of The Heritage Foundation is to formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.

2.0 Founded in 1973, The Heritage Foundation is a right-wing think tank. (It is) an "associate" member of the State Policy Network, a web of right-wing “think tanks” in every state across the country. (The US(A))
2.1 It is financed by the Koch brothers -- David and Charles (who) are the right-wing billionaire co-owners of Koch Industries. As two of the richest people in the world, they are key funders of the right-wing infrastructure, including the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) and the State Policy Network (SPN).
2.2 It is one of the very largest
2.2.1 Climate change deniers
2.2.2 Opponents of Obama Care
2.2.3 Supporters of the Tobacco industry
2.2.4 Obstructors of the Earned Citizenship for Immigrants scheme
2.2.5 Actively promoting the " strategy, known as the Reagan doctrine, in Afghanistan, Angola, Cambodia, Nicaragua and other nations around the world" = Covertly supplying vast quantities of armaments, money, "advizers" and military personnel.
( https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/HeritageFoundation#HeritageFoundationCalledOutforBlockingActiononClimateChange)

Now consider HotOrWot's post Regev eloquent new writing style.
Look at this article as one example:
3.0 Jeremy Corbyn Has a Soft Spot for Extremists - Oct 5th, 2018
3.1 Robin Simcox @RobinSimcox Margaret Thatcher Fellow
3.2 https://www.heritage.org/europe/commentary/jeremy-corbyn-has-soft-spot-extremists

Reams of this article have been lifted wholesale by HotOrWot and dumped in this thread, without attribution, as if the contents were his original thoughts.
That's called Plagiarism

HotOrWot, you are a mouthpiece for anti-democratic organizations who couldn't give a toss for UK or its ppl.
You are a consistent 5th columnist seemingly working to bring down OUR Parliamentary democracy.


Fortunately, your powers of data gathering and processing to provide Information for Evaluation and Synthesis into a coherent written opinion are severely underdeveloped. So you, in your futile efforts to appear that which you are not, have Cut & Pasted with not a thought of your own included.
Even small children at school know not to try to pull such deceits.

You are after all "A Paper Tiger", a fraud and the puppet of some "rather unpleasant" ppl and organization devoted to destroying Democratically elected regimes which don't readily cry "Uncle".

Begon, and take your blatant Plagiarism with you.
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RAACH84  Female  Buckinghamshire 9-Apr-2019 13:48 Message #4738311
Wonderoushen. As always your posts are fair and show an open mind which is not too evident in most other posts on here. I do think there are many good reasons not to trust Corbyn due to his past actions and his lack of leadership now.

Good2BeWith. I’m not sure what you last rant was all about or that anyone has been guilty of plagiarism on here.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 9-Apr-2019 13:54 Message #4738312
HotOrWot Sex 8-Apr-2019 23:18
In a debate in the House of Commons, Corbyn could only bring himself to say, “I have no support for ISIS whatsoever,” by raising British treatment of the Kenyan Mau Mau rebels six decades earlier, saying, “The way in which they had been treated by the British Army in Kenya in 1955 was disgusting.

The Heritage Foundation's original: (op cit)
In a debate in the House of Commons, Corbyn could only bring himself to say, “I have no support for ISIS whatsoever,” by raising British treatment of the Kenyan Mau Mau rebels six decades earlier, saying, “The way in which they had been treated by the British Army in Kenya in 1955 was disgusting.”

PPl may also recognize these "Original" thoughts of HotOrWot =
In a debate in the House of Commons, Corbyn could only bring himself to say, “I have no support for ISIS whatsoever,” by raising British treatment of the Kenyan Mau Mau rebels six decades earlier, saying, “The way in which they had been treated by the British Army in Kenya in 1955 was disgusting.”

Corbyn does the same with al Qaeda. He is willing to concede that the 9/11 attacks were a tragedy only in the context of what he regards as other, equal tragedies—including Osama bin Laden’s death, the Iraq War, the “attack on Afghanistan,” the detention center at Guantánamo Bay, and the Bagram military prison.

Furthermore, if Britain and United States are not so morally superior, then retaliation against their policies becomes entirely understandable. Discussing the attacks in Washington and New York less than a month after 9/11, Corbyn told Parliament that “what goes around comes around.” It was time for “people in the United States … [to] think also about some of the regimes and friendships that they have spawned over the years,” he said.

Then, three days after al Qaeda’s suicide bombings in London in July 2005, Corbyn spoke at a Stop the War Coalition rally in the city to stress the reason that civilians there were being blown up on trains and buses was “because of the way we inflict an insecurity on so many other people around the world. We have to be very clear about that.”

It is a favorite Corbyn theme. At another Stop the War rally (before becoming leader of the Labour Party, attending Stop the War rallies constituted a significant part of Corbyn’s life), he said the Islamic State’s beheading of Alan Henning, a British aid worker, was “the price of jingoism.”

For groups regarded as less extreme than al Qaeda and the Islamic State, Corbyn has been less restrained—and often a vocal backer. In a 2009 speech in London, where he was addressing the Stop the War Coalition, Corbyn famously described Hamas and Hezbollah as his “friends.”


As Archie Andrews used to say "Gottle o Geer. Gottle o Geer"
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RAACH84  Female  Buckinghamshire 9-Apr-2019 13:59 Message #4738313
So basically HotOrWot is posting news items. Nobody is denying they are true. They are the same items I have read about Corbyn.
Even those who defend Corbyn do so half heartedly knowing the truth is out there and they have nothing good to say about him.
Labour needs a new leader.


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