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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 7-Apr-2019 21:02 Message #4738192
The only reason Corbyn might losing respect is exactly the same as May as neither of them can possibly please their own MP's or constituents on Brexit.

Although many, many more have now realised that in addition, May is strong and stable in repeating herself, changing her mind, not including her team in decisions.

Corbyn support is rising exponentially, especially in the young, so certainly not because of the fallacy he is living in the 70's.
It's the over 65's turning to Conservatism and that's probably because they are worried about money and pension pots, not people, livelihoods, housing and work offering some stability.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 7-Apr-2019 21:15 Message #4738193
"Corbyn support is rising exponentially, especially in the young, so certainly not because of the fallacy he is living in the 70's."

Hmm, he's popular with people who weren't around in the 70's... I wonder why?...
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 7-Apr-2019 21:20 Message #4738194
HotOrWot 7-Apr-2019 11:52
Labour wasn’t experiencing the problems of (alleged) abuse and intimidation prior to the birth of this current movement.

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Labour, and particularly Mr Corbyn, wasn't suffering these astonishing attacks by hard-line Zionists before Mark Regev (Freiberg) was appointed as the Ambassador of Israel to the United Kingdom in April 2016.

Previous to that appointment he had been the chief spokesman for the Prime Minister of Israel from 2007 to 2015.
From 2009 he represented, and was an ardent apologist for, Benjamin Netanyahu and his policies of annexation of Palestinian territory and promoting the use of 'live rounds' by the military against unarmed Palestinian protesters.
This is an infamous example of Mr Regev's attempts to justify the slaughter of some young boys playing on a deserted Palestinian beach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGahJzFdqaY&

Mr Netanyahu has headed Government coalitions consisting of extremist parties, eg: Likud, Beiteinu, Shas, Jewish Home
All of these are Far/Hard Right, Ultra-orthodox, extreme Zionist promoters of a greater Israel and heavily support Mr Netanyahu's illegal claims on the Golan Heights and even the smallest of illegal Israeli "settlements" on occupied Palestinian land.

Likud was co-founded by Menachem Begin the leader of Irgun, a Zionist paramilitary with the belief that: every Jew had the right to enter Palestine; only active retaliation would deter the Arabs; only Jewish armed force would ensure the Jewish state (Jabotinsky)
Some Brits will remember Irgun for the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946 and the Deir Yassin massacre.

It is no surprize that Mr Corbyn's call for Palestinian rights and the observance by all of International Law, Human Rights and Conventions on War is a direct threat to Mr Netanyahu's policies and he has to be stopped By any means necessary.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 7-Apr-2019 21:32 Message #4738195
A Reminder of that which you have ducked when faced with the truth versus your Straight from Regev blatant propaganda.

WRT: HotOrWot 7-Apr-2019 11:52

1) Your insistence that the long-established systems of justice be rejected in preference to lynch law confirms your hatred of this country and its way of life.

2) From your constant stream of attempted vilification of the victim of this (as yet alleged) outrageous behaviour of members of H M Military you are clearly not only backing and attempting to legitimize those actions but seemingly trying to justify even more extreme actions.
You are the very thing which you erroneously claim the victim is.

3) You, and your supporters, are demonstrating the classical tactics of the demagog in blaming the victim and supporting the aggressor.
This is NOT part of the way of life in UK and by posing as a UK citizen you are attempting to damage our country's name and reputation.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 7-Apr-2019 21:37 Message #4738196
The Jewish Labour Movement has passed a motion of no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn over the party's handling of anti-Semitism complaints.

The group said in a tweet on Sunday that the motion was "almost unanimously" passed.

This followed "strong" speeches from Labour MPs including Dame Margaret Hodge, Ruth Smeeth and Louise Elmman.

It comes after Labour was forced to defend its handling of complaints about anti-Semitism after reports that the party had failed to take disciplinary action in hundreds of cases.

Come on Corbyn stop sitting on your hands.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 7-Apr-2019 21:38 Message #4738197
BBC journalist Laura Kuenssberg has received abuse from Corbyn supporters, including being called a ‘whore’ and a ‘bitch’.
At the release of the Labour anti-Semitism report, Labour MP Ruth Smeeth was abused by a Corbyn supporter. Meanwhile, Corbyn apparently watched and said nothing.
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Nigel_In_Devon  Male  Devon 7-Apr-2019 21:50 Message #4738198
HoW..."Meanwhile, Corbyn apparently watched and said nothing."

Guess that's what Momentum told him to do! Heaven forbid he has an original thought!
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 7-Apr-2019 22:12 Message #4738199
"Supporters" of football teams commit all sorts of atrocities whilst wearing their team's favours.
This type of thing happens with almost every type of organization = False Flag activities designed to undermine the true activities of the organization.
What you seem to be doing, time and again, is promoting Mr Regev's instructions to claim that EVERY person who claims to be, or is designated to be, a supporter of Mr Corbyn actually IS a supporter.
Have you ever considered such as Agents Provocateurs? Or has Mr Regev banned you from even thinking of such a thing?

Yet again you forward your version of Lynch Law in contradiction to OUR tradition of Justice.
You ape the Queen in Alice' = Sentence first. Then the trial and verdict.

With that attitude, it's to be expected that you support rogue members of HM Forces and the routine murder of unarmed women and children, protesting against the illegal occupation and annexation of their land, by Israeli death dealing sniper squads.
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 7-Apr-2019 22:17 Message #4738200
I like Laura Kuensburg, I think she is good at her job.

Just saying like.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 7-Apr-2019 22:33 Message #4738203
paint a picture of the real terrorist supporter Corbyn being innocent of the atrocious behaviour that is well documented and hope that criticisms of the British will stop people seeing the truth.
Corbyn is a traitor and quite rightly hated by many.


Very well documented.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 7-Apr-2019 22:36 Message #4738206
America’s best-known lawyer is backing an investigation into whether Jeremy Corbyn should face US sanctions as a supporter of terrorism.

Alan Dershowitz said he wanted to see if Corbyn, who has described the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah as “friends”, could be placed under an embargo by Washington.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 7-Apr-2019 23:26 Message #4738207
For many reasons, Corbyn is uniquely unsuitable to be prime minister. This is someone who accepted money from Iran to present on the government-affiliated channel Press TV and who invited Linda Quigley and Gerry MacLochlainn, both convicted of activity connected to the Irish Republican Army, to Parliament just two weeks after the IRA had killed five people and almost assassinated the British prime minister in the 1984 Brighton bombing.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 7-Apr-2019 23:30 Message #4738208
HotOrWot 7-Apr-2019 22:36

1.0 Norman Finkelstein wrote that "it is hard to make out any difference between the policy Dershowitz advocates and the Nazi destruction of Lidice, for which he expresses abhorrence - except that Jews, not Germans, would be implementing it".

2.0 Dershowitz wrote a series of articles defending the conduct of the Israel Defense Forces during the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. There was an international outcry at the time regarding escalating Lebanese civilian deaths and the destruction of civilian infrastructure resulting from Israel's stated attempt to weaken or destroy Hezbollah.

3.0 Dershowitz published an article in The San Francisco Chronicle entitled "Want to Torture? Get a Warrant", in which he advocated the issuance of warrants permitting the torture of terrorism suspects,

4.0 John Mearsheimer, professor of political science at the University of Chicago, and Stephen Walt, professor of international affairs at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, co-wrote a paper entitled "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy", They referred to Dershowitz specifically as an "apologist" for the Israel lobby.

5.0 In December 2011, he was awarded the Menachem (Irgun) Begin Award of Honor by the Menachem Begin Heritage Center
(Also known as the notorious Irgun Zvai Leumi responsible for many acts of terrorist massacres including the murder of British Peacekeeping troops.)

6.0 It could be suggested that you chose a less biased witness to support yourMr Regev ordered stream of Extreme Zionist Propaganda?
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 7-Apr-2019 23:43 Message #4738209
HotOrWot 7-Apr-2019 23:26

John Major and other members of his Gov't held extensive talks with many members of the Provos, as did Mr Blair and the Wonderful Mo Mowlam.
Remember that Sir Winston Churchill is reputed to have said, "Jaw, Jaw is better than War, War."

You, however, in your increasing struggle to justify the numerous violations of International Laws by Israel's Hard Right warmongers, much prefer a "Slaughter of the Innocents" and kowtowing to Mr Regev, the blood-drenched Mr Netanyahu's apologist in UK.

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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 8-Apr-2019 07:11 Message #4738212
Other Corbyn things though, there is one about his arrest in 1986 from the Times. If the Times have reported it wrong, then Corbyn would have surely sued. It says 'Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 taking part in a protest by IRA sympathisers to “show solidarity” with accused terrorists including the Brighton bomber, a Sunday Times investigation reveals. Corbyn joined a picket outside the Old Bailey to oppose the “show trial” of a group including Patrick Magee, who was subsequently convicted of murdering five people at the 1984 Tory party conference.'

Another one attending the memorial for the Munich Olympic terrorists. From the guardian. 'Jeremy Corbyn has said he was present but not involved at a wreath-laying for individuals behind the group that carried out the Munich Olympic massacre, a partial admission that has led to a row with Israel’s prime minister.

The Labour leader had been asked if Palestinian leaders linked to the Black September terror group were also honoured at a memorial event he attended in Tunisia in 2014, at which victims of the 1985 Israeli airstrike in Tunis were remembered.

Corbyn said “a wreath was indeed laid” for “some of those who were killed in Paris in 1992” and added in response to a question: “I was present at that wreath-laying, I don’t think I was actually involved in it.”

He added: “I was there because I wanted to see a fitting memorial to everyone who has died in every terrorist incident everywhere because we have to end it. You cannot pursue peace by a cycle of violence; the only way you can pursue peace [is] by a cycle of dialogue.”


Agree.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 8-Apr-2019 07:15 Message #4738213
Corbyn is uniquely unsuitable to be prime minister. This is someone who accepted money from Iran to present on the government-affiliated channel Press TV and who invited Linda Quigley and Gerry MacLochlainn, both convicted of activity connected to the Irish Republican Army, to Parliament just two weeks after the IRA had killed five people and almost assassinated the British prime minister in the 1984 Brighton bombing.

Hundreds upon hundreds of incidents showing Corbyn’s treacherous intentions.
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Andromeda  Female  Berkshire 8-Apr-2019 08:41 Message #4738219
It cannot be said that the numerous accusations against Corbyn and his terrorist alliances are biased news reports because there are far too many of them. There is hardly any news source which has not reported his support of terrorists at one time or another and it seems to go back to his youth although it does more harm in today's world.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 8-Apr-2019 13:04 Message #4738226
Andromeda,

I agree with your last comment in principle other than there is a difference between having an alliance "a union or association formed for mutual benefit... or
a relationship based on similarity of interests, nature, or qualities."

To everyone,

It's the use of words the biased news use to influence readers that have other connotations to what really happened.

For example, I wouldn't or couldn't deny there is evidence that supports Corbyn "associated" with terrorists but he didn't form an alliance with them as he disagreed with all their actions and terrorism and associated with them to try to influence and reason with them. It was and he conceded it was bad judgment to refer to them as friends, but people keep bringing it up as if he was real friends. Was it Shakespeare who had a line "Friends, countrymen, lend me your ears"?
Friends is just a word people often use to address people they might want to have a close discussion with, but those with a simplistic view, or choose to interpret and be complicit with this skewed projection from the press of the real situation.

Other things. I don't think it is so bad that Corbyn went on Iran TV and was paid. Why would he do it and not get paid?
You have to think what was he trying to achieve. Basically, he was risking dropping in the Lion's den to try to influence politics of Iran.
Right or wrong Corbyn supports what he sees as the underdog and Palastine has and is suffering at the hands of Israel. Many Jews also think and recognise that, but some see that as anti-semitic. Same with Ireland, he supported a united Ireland and that aspect of Sinn Fein, but not the IRA.
He dislikes people being killed on all sides of war, people do not understand how it is possible to have sympathy with for those killed, also innocently, on the wrong side we take and you take.

You know what, he isn't a murderer, he would be locked up if there was evidence that he was. Many of his opponents say he is sincere and trustworthy, even some Conservatives who have worked with him. Corbyn had worked with David Davies on some cross party issues for example.

Even IF you don't like the man, it is what happens to British politics that matters now. Unless you live on another planet or keep your eyes shut you must be aware how Conservative policies have gone overboard for those vulnerable, in poverty, disabled. In my view this far overrides losing a bit on a pension. It's a really selfish person, who if they want to balance the books, and care about the economy, would want a great pension on the backs of those who already have nothing, though some would, sadly.

I was listening to Justine Greening last night who may apply for PM, I've observed Heidi Allen fight back the tears as she worked with Frank Field and saw the impact of Universal Credit, I have Sarah Woolaston's feed on my Facebook who feels the Conservatives had lost the plot. As a fairly recent Labour supporter, even I had hope on hearing May's maiden speech, but she has done nothing and turned her back on all the issues reported to her.

Do you know what, Corbyn offers hope for change, whatever the papers report, whatever his past. It is a new future that is most important and what people learn from past mistakes and on balance, Corbyn's compassion, insight, policies win hands down over the disasters of the prison services, NHS, rail, disability support, social care, Carillion, Atos, Capita all taking over like mighty deaf corporates infiltrating all parts of life like big machines with no apparent accountability.

It puts Corbyn's disputable press releases of the past into a cocked hat by comparision.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 8-Apr-2019 13:15 Message #4738227
Oh Lynn, still as obsessed as ever, I see...
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 8-Apr-2019 13:16 Message #4738228
It cannot be said that the numerous accusations against Corbyn and his terrorist alliances are biased news reports because there are far too many of them. There is hardly any news source which has not reported his support of terrorists at one time or another and it seems to go back to his youth although it does more harm in today's world.

That is it in a nutshell. It’s not his enemies saying he has terrorist alliances. It’s his own party. It’s independent sources from around the world.

The man is a dangerous liability.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 8-Apr-2019 13:18 Message #4738229
Then, there is his long-held contempt for NATO and his admiration of far-left revolutionaries such as Fidel Castro and Hugo Chávez reflected in the advisors and political allies closest to him, who include a self-identified Marxist, a decades-long member of the British Communist Party, and a defender of Joseph Stalin.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 8-Apr-2019 13:37 Message #4738232
Corbyn is a 70 year old agitator who has been living very comfortably on an MP's salary for over 30 years. He has never held a cabinet position and never demonstrated any desire to help the country previously, instead enjoying the freedom of being a highly paid backbencher, taking "trips" to mingle with plenty of undesirables on wages paid by the taxpayer.
He reminds me of a poor imitation of George Galloway, I can't stand him either, but at least he doesn't pretend to be all fluffy and caring...
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 8-Apr-2019 13:41 Message #4738234
Hierophant 8-Apr-2019 13:15
Oh Lynn, still as obsessed as ever, I see...

Patronizing
Paternalistic
Misogynist
Insulting
And
WRONG -
1) Many have sets of well thought out principles supported by verifiable evidence.
2) Others are mere cushions who (metaphorically) bear the imprint of the last person to sit on them.
3) Some fall into the category of Whoopie Cushion

Evidence provided by you eliminates ANY possibility of you falling into Cat 1)

It could be said that in any discussion requiring the powers of analysis and synthesis, you are surplus to requirements since you are incapable of demonstrating either of those essential abilities.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 8-Apr-2019 13:57 Message #4738235
You crafty old dog you, trying to impress the ladies by calling me a misogynist, you'll be proclaiming you're a feminist next.
Hmm you missed out sarcastic from your list, that's my best quality too...
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 8-Apr-2019 14:04 Message #4738236
Why we need a change in Government.

The Independent lead liner today

"The power to wreck your life": tens of thousands of disabled people denied benefits for extra month.

This is after already waiting 4-54 days, though my own son's evidence (if you can believe the press), states some are waiting a year.

This is an issue far worse than worrying about Corbyn in Government as it couldn't be much worse.


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