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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 6-Apr-2019 09:49 Message #4738124
There may be countless people who are in favour of love and peace, but governments do not think that way. That's why we have a defence force. And why any hostile country needs to know that the head of government would press the button if he/she had to. And also the reason why nobody would take the risk of pressing it. Commonly known as MAD of course; mutually assured destruction.

If Corbyn refused to we would be a sitting duck.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 6-Apr-2019 15:31 Message #4738131
Jeremy Corbyn has been paid £20,000 to appear five times on the totalitarian Iranian regime’s propaganda channel, which was banned in the UK for its role in filming the tortured forced-confession of Iranian liberal journalist Maziar Bahari. By hosting interviews, Corbyn gives the propaganda the ‘credibility’ of a Western politician. It’s fascinating to hear Iranian democracy campaigner Maziar Bahari’s own thoughts on Corbyn, who he describes as ‘a useful idiot’.

The Iranian regime executes gay people, democracy activists, Kurds, and orders the rape of female prisoners. But Corbyn is happy to take their money and aid their propaganda campaign.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 6-Apr-2019 16:09 Message #4738132
HotOrWot 6-Apr-2019 15:31

You really must try to stop using, covertly, reports from a state-controlled organ of propaganda to attack a UK politician who supports the dispossessed Palastinian people's cause and PEACE in the world.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/irate-corbyn-refuses-to-say-if-he-regrets-working-for-irans-press-tv/

Note also that Mr Corbyn was part of a delegation of UK MPs.

He didn't, like the bumbling and criminally incompetent S-o-State for Foreign Affairs, Mr B Johnson, end up enabling the Iranian authorities to use inaccurate comments about the reasons for her visit to Tehran to justify her wrongful imprisonment,
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 6-Apr-2019 16:38 Message #4738133
Gilpin 6-Apr-2019 09:49

Do you really believe that anyone in UK has the final decision to use Nuclear weapons?

The US(A) owns them and has complete control over their use.
Considering the massive arsenals of nuclear weapons held by US(A), Russia, China, Israel, etc whether UK was forced to use 'our' weapons or not would be immaterial in the extinction of almost all life forms on planet Earth brought about by a nuclear war.

It does, however, give some people a warm glow to think that Britannia could contribute in some small way to the annihilation of life on the only known planet to host it.

And we will all go together when we go
When the air becomes uranious
And we will all go simultaneous
Yes we all will go together
When we all go together
Yes, we all will go together when we go
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 6-Apr-2019 17:44 Message #4738134
Jeremy Corbyn has praised and supported Raed Salah, an Islamist who has been accused of spreading the Blood Libel (an old antisemitic conspiracy that Jews use the blood of gentile children to make their bread). Salah has also been charged with inciting racial hatred and violence, and has claimed the Jews were behind 9/11. Corbyn has said: ‘Salah is a very honoured citizen’, ‘Salah’s is a voice that must be heard’, ‘Salah is far from a dangerous man’, and ‘I look forward to giving you tea on the terrace because you deserve it!’.
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 6-Apr-2019 17:55 Message #4738135
G2B

Do you really believe that anyone in UK has the final decision to use Nuclear weapons?

You don't actually know a lot about the subject do you?

The final decision belongs to the PM. The launch procedure may be a system of high protocol, but he/she can withhold permission to launch. And he/she doesn't actually press any button, that's just American hyperbole. The codes are entered into a computer, simultaneously by two different officers, in different locations, though I think on the same sub.

So Jeremy would (well not probably) have the final say. He can be over ridden though, they site him as …. mentally incapable (mad in other words), and some one more sane makes the decision.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 6-Apr-2019 18:40 Message #4738136
Gilpin 6-Apr-2019 17:55
Wrong on all counts, but it afforded you another chance to personalize this constitutional matter and cast doubt on Mr Corbyn's state of mind.
You really must get rid of your vastly outdated use of someone's mental health as an insult.

This spur has nothing to do with members of H M's Armed forces allegedly using a poster of the democratically elected leader of H M's Loyal Opposition for target practice on a firing range - which is the subject of this particular Thread is it not?
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 6-Apr-2019 18:57 Message #4738137
HotOrWot 6-Apr-2019 17:44

accused of, *charged with" but surprizingly not "convicted of" except in his home state = Israel. A country that has had its parliamentary liberal democracy held hostage by a gang of far-right religious zealots.
However, the subject of this thread is members of HM's Military allegedly using an image of Mr Corbyn for target practice on a firing range.
Is it, therefore, to be understood that on the basis of your unreferenced gossip, you support the actions of this group which may have brought disgrace upon their comrades as well as themselves.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 6-Apr-2019 18:58 Message #4738138
I've checked various sources that Corbyn did not want nuclear or Trident. He says he would never press the metaphorical "button" as a first strike, and as someone who supports democracy he was beaten down to include retaining Trident in the Labour Manifesto. He has to stand by that until the Manifesto is again discussed and renegotiated. Like anyone else, and any leader he has the right to debate his view and try to win people over so he hopes to change that. It doesn't mean he will succeed. CND was disappointed, but Corbyn cannot dictate Labour policies, only discuss with MPs as these are voted on at conferences.

Seems reasonable to me.
Of course any war mongering nation or economy relying on death and destruction, terrorism will call anyone mad who wants to block that.
As I said before, most bullies, be it Nations or people like to try to ridicule those that do not comply, unless of course, some don't have the intellectual capacity to see a different view and therefore label what they do not understand as deranged.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 6-Apr-2019 19:08 Message #4738140
* ... some don't have the intellectual capacity to see a different view and therefore label what they do not understand as deranged.*

Or Trolling
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 6-Apr-2019 19:13 Message #4738141
GB2

You obviously have not understood the post.

"The PM has the final say in any nuclear launch."

The Americans do not order the action, which was your original claim.

Corbyn has said he will not launch any nuclear missile. If a Prime Minister does not launch because of personal reasons, as opposed to doing it to save the country and on the advice of military command, he will be removed from the point of decision. Mental instability is in the book as a reason. And he would have to be mentally not on the ball, as PM, to allow us to be hit by a bomb that could wipe out the whole of London.

I've already given my opinion on the poster target. And try not to relate everything to personal insult. Even if you use those tactics.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 6-Apr-2019 19:43 Message #4738143
Corbyn wrote in defence of a vicar who suggested that 9/11 was an inside job by the Jews.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 6-Apr-2019 19:44 Message #4738144
Corbyn invited Hamas and Hizbollah to Parliament and called them his ‘friends’. Bear in mind that Hamas’s Charter is explicitly genocidal – it makes it clear its supporters want to kill Jews and repeats Nazi conspiracy theories. Their founding Charter also rules out any peaceful solution to the Israeli-Palestine problem. It says:
Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement… There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through jihad.
Corbyn doesn’t invite extremist Zionists to parliament, only extremist anti-Semites.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 6-Apr-2019 20:28 Message #4738146
HotOrWot 6-Apr-2019 19:44

Off topic, unreferenced, unverifiable propaganda = TOSH.

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Nigel_In_Devon  Male  Devon 6-Apr-2019 21:40 Message #4738147
"And we will all go together when we go
When the air becomes uranious
And we will all go simultaneous
Yes we all will go together
When we all go together
Yes, we all will go together when we go
"

Can't read that without hearing Tom singing it!
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 6-Apr-2019 22:09 Message #4738148
You look FAR too young to have heard it when it first burst onto the airwaves and onto our Dansette three-speed record players.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 6-Apr-2019 22:51 Message #4738150
Corbyn was also a long-time backer of an anti-Israel group founded by Paul Eisen, attending its 2013 event even after Eisen had outed himself as a Holocaust denier years earlier.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 7-Apr-2019 00:08 Message #4738155
Mrs Thatcher branded Nelson Mandela as a terrorist and welcomed the mass murdering fascist dictator Gen'l Pinochet to UK.

However, that doesn't mean that I supported the attempt/s to assassinate her nor posters of her being used in target practice by some rogue squaddies.

Do try to put your obsession to one side and address the principle of the issue under discussion.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 7-Apr-2019 07:46 Message #4738158
As his right-hand man, Corbyn appointed Seumas Milne, who has argued we should focus more on the positives of Stalin’s communist dictatorship. Milne was also part of the pro-Stalin and pro-Soviet fellow travellers of Fergus Nicholson’s wing of the British Communist Party (he was not an official member), and worked at the pro-Soviet paper Straight Left. Milne has also blamed Russia’s recent invasion of the Ukraine on the West, and has hosted a propaganda media conference for Vladimir Putin.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 7-Apr-2019 07:56 Message #4738159
Also, Corbyn could have shrugged it off when asked about it. He could have cut the soldiers some slack, bearing in mind he might be their boss soon.
Instead he went off on a sombre voiced sermon about respecting people and how outrageous it was.. blah, blah blah.
This is the bloke who has an MP needing security at their own party conference because she feels threatened by members of her own tribe.
I respect the bloke less and less each day...


Good post. There are a lot of verified accusations about threats to party members who don’t like Corbyn especially aggression towards female members. It is a scary prospect as to who would be in government if Corbyn ever became prime minister.
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 7-Apr-2019 11:47 Message #4738169
To be honest with the amount of hostility directed at anyone in public office or in the public eye I wonder why anyone would want to do it? Death threats, rape threats, threats against your family its outrageous, one MP has taken to wearing a body camera to record threats made against him on his way in and out of the commons. Its all sides doing the threatening not just hard left nutters, but hard right ones too, just as many on the far left would feel emboldened by Corbyn as PM so would many on the far right feel emboldened by say a Rees Mogg or a Boris Johnson. I've been involved in various levels of political activism for most of my adult life and honestly whats happening now scares me, in the past I've been spat at, shouted at, threatened by police and had a car driven at at me, but this all seems at another level of violence. Only last week a man was convicted of plotting to kill his MP, he was part of a group who all seemed to support his actions, how many other groups are there plotting murder?
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 7-Apr-2019 11:52 Message #4738172
It is becoming very worrying wonderoushen.

Labour wasn’t experiencing the problems of abuse and intimidation prior to the birth of this current movement. It's possible that some are exaggerated. However, it’s simply not possible to claim that the hundreds-upon-hundreds of separately documented incidents, abusive voicemails and phone calls, physical confrontations, police callouts and death threats are all exaggerations.

Over 40 female MPs have written to Jeremy Corbyn pleading with him to try to curtail the abuse they receive from his supporters. It’s not clear what Jeremy Corbyn has actually done about this issue. He needs to do something!
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 7-Apr-2019 18:51 Message #4738188
HotOrWot Sex icon 7-Apr-2019 11:52

1) Your insistence that the long-established systems of justice be rejected in preference to lynch law confirms your hatred of this country and its way of life.

2) From your constant stream of attempted vilification of the victim of this (as yet alleged) outrageous behaviour of members of H M Military you are clearly not only backing and attempting to legitimize those actions but seemingly trying to justify even more extreme actions.
You are the very thing which you erroneously claim the victim is.

3) You, and your supporters, are demonstrating the classical tactics of the demagog in blaming the victim and supporting the aggressor.
This is NOT part of the way of life in UK and by posing as a UK citizen you are attempting to damage our country's name and reputation.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 7-Apr-2019 19:39 Message #4738189
Remember this. Across the country, Labour constituency meetings have been temporarily suspended by the NEC because of the levels of abuse and intimidation taking place at some of these gatherings.
Since challenging Corbyn’s leadership, Labour MP Angela Eagle has been called a ‘dyke’ at a constituency meeting, and has been told by police that, for now, she should not hold constituency surgeries because her safety cannot be guaranteed.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 7-Apr-2019 19:41 Message #4738190
Also, Corbyn could have shrugged it off when asked about it. He could have cut the soldiers some slack, bearing in mind he might be their boss soon.
Instead he went off on a sombre voiced sermon about respecting people and how outrageous it was.. blah, blah blah.
This is the bloke who has an MP needing security at their own party conference because she feels threatened by members of her own tribe.
I respect the bloke less and less each day..


Even his own party respect the bloke less each day.


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