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tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire 11-Apr-2019 11:18 Message #4738439
Hey, I've just noticed that he has used my longest word 'masquerading', in a post on 10-Apr-2019, when he was trolling a poster for copying someone elses work.

But with him, it is ok to do what he wants, as he is the superior (inferior) one.

g2b quotes many things from websites etc.

Nobody is pretending that they are coming up with the Corbyn things themselves, for instance. Of course they come from various sources already. Only g2b appears to think they are pretending to come up with it themselves. Bless him.

A big patronising pat on the head for g2b. Well done.

Actually, I should feel sorry for him. It's probably not his fault he has this superior/inferior complex. He must have had an awful life, and this is the consequences.
Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 11-Apr-2019 11:22 Message #4738440
I would imagine G2B will be apopletic now Assange has been arrested...
Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 11-Apr-2019 11:40 Message #4738442


What on Earth? …. are you on about?


"Phew. What a relief.
And there's me thinking that all the smearing and vilification of Mr Corbyn, me and any others who dared challenge your herd that you support was meant by those who wrote it.

When in fact, from your Presidential chair you announce on their behalf, after deep and meaningful discussions, that all this long thread has been an elaborate HOAX.

That what seemed to be genuine, but misguided, expressions of blind hatred of Mr Corbyn and those who wrote on this thread even ever so slightly agreeing with his philosophy, were really just made up, not believed, untruths, posted as some very late "April Fool" Wind up.

Great will be your welcome when your (former) colleagues read that you, Gilp, have outed them as Pranksters, Liars, Deceivers, and purveyors of falsified evidence

Whilst I at least respected that they wrote what they believed

Perhaps you'll now change your name to JUDAS?"

In 2 minds whether to answer this nonsense. But heck its such a rich psycho babble why not. If I can make sense of it that is. Presidential chair? Judas? Prankster? Liars? Decievers (repetition, 3 times). That's quite a collection (if not second rate, mundane) of name calling. You are in a bad way mate. I think the best thing now is to go away and lie down in a darkened room.

And dream of Corbyn as the saving archangel, hovering above, with his band of terrorists, and his shaking finger over the button, acting a remainer, when really he's a leaver, trying to save the world, but could lead us down the wrong path and even into an islamist country, and under Sharia law.

And that would stop your posts in their tracks, and instead chuck you in jail, for an indefinite period. With 50 lashes thrown in for good measure. Your preferred leader, who I doubt has any real knowledge of the capability of radical groups. But heck, go on dreaming in your armchair and slippers.
JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 11-Apr-2019 19:44 Message #4738463
"JustLyn. It must be more of a general dislike of Jeremy Corbyn as it seems the journalists you mention are from Labour, Conservative and independent media over many years. "

We can dislike a lot of people yet still trust them and like someone yet not trust them. I'm not referring to Corbyn specifically, but a general dislike isn't good enough to not vote for someone?

I get what you are saying though. And it's true that plenty of Labour, did and still do dislike Corbyn, though some do seem to have come round and now support him.

I think in the mix of things, some just don't trust or like his policies. I have heard quite a few Conservative MPs say positive things about Corbyn personally but prefer the Conservative politics of capitalism rather than socialism. An interview with Kenneth Clarke on Radio 4's Nick Robinson called Corbyn "Charming and a nice man".

MrQuiet, you called HotorWot's posts "accurate". Have you actually checked them?
Accuracy is not just finding the source exists, but that what was reported is based on fact and not a superficial brushing over what appears to be accurate, but does not take in the detail of why Corbyn made such associations and decisions.

I'll give you an example off the top of my head.
It was once reported that Corbyn voted AGAINST arresting terrorists, and superficially that would be true.
But was not added to give an accurate picture was the reason Corbyn voted against arrests.
He voted against it because the proposed law would have paid lip service to it looking to the public that the Government was taking action, but the law was badly thought out because they could arrest people with no evidence and only suspected of being involved in terrorism.
Luckily, Corbyn, and even Theresa May in this instance could see that a lot of innocent people could be caught up like dolphins from a fishing boat casting a wide net.
Of course, the headline would be "Corbyn votes to avoid terrorists getting arrested!" (kind of thing).

I have never said Corbyn is squeaky clean in his judgments in the past, I just know that a lot of the IRA / terrorist / HAMAS stuff is completely misleading in Corbyn's so-called associations.

I can understand how some might not appreciate Corbyn also paying tribute to those died on both sides of a conflict, but that's his way, and in my view that is far less a crime than the present Government have and are treating the sick and disabled and fiddling the unemployment figures through a legal form of corruption, and people are swallowing it...very superficially presented as stats.
tsunamiwarrior  Male  Hertfordshire 11-Apr-2019 20:55 Message #4738468
So basically HotOrWot is posting news items. Nobody is denying they are true. They are the same items I have read about Corbyn.
Even those who defend Corbyn do so half heartedly knowing the truth is out there and they have nothing good to say about him.
Labour needs a new leader.

This was posted earlier Lyn. We understand that for some obscure reason you have faith in Corbyn but as so many have said, there is far too much evidence against him for his behaviour to be denied.
tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire 11-Apr-2019 20:59 Message #4738470
I've not suddenly become a Corbyn convert or anything, but I can understand certain actions of his to try and talk to both sides of some conflicts

I don't personally think he is a major terrorist, or anything like, but there is no doubt that some of his actions have 'raised eyebrows' or whatever.

Strangely, I was in the Library earlier, and a book caught my eye. It was a Portillo book about his TV series. I was flicking through it, and a chapter further caught my eye. It was to do with the Brighton bombing. Potillo was there, but he had left the hotel as he wasn't staying in the posh places at the time, as a junior. He hates the Brighton bomber Patrick Magee, but he mentioned quite a poignant story, regarding Magee and the daughter of one of the victims Jo Berry. Her father was deputy chief whip at the time, and was killed.

She became a peace activist, and met Magee on many occasions. Trying to understand and promote peace.
tsunamiwarrior  Male  Hertfordshire 11-Apr-2019 21:08 Message #4738471
There is a big difference to inviting the terrorist to discuss peace and backing the terrorist against his own people. Corbyn has always taken the anti-British side in every argument.

It is obvious you are not having the wool pulled over your eyes as some blinkered posters are.

A lot of good politicians of all parties have had talks with terrorists and enemies but Corbyn is not one of them. He has shown active support for many terrorists when at the same time being critical of the British.
JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 11-Apr-2019 21:39 Message #4738472
Corbin does not and has never supported any form of terrorism.
As long as posters insist on posting this distortion, I am equally justified in countering it.

There is no evidence Corbyn supported terrorism or is anti British. It was Labour manifesto, in the 80s, to support a United Ireland which coincided with the Sinn Fein policy, but the Unionists won and when Blair took over the manifesto changed.

People who wanted what Sinn Fein wanted, in UK, were labelled as anti British.

Maybe Corbyn still supports that, maybe he's not keen on EU, he didn't want a Royal Family, but years go by, time moves on and more important issues takes over. Our priorities change.

I haven't any wool over my eyes. I've read into deeper evidence other than popular journalism. Corbyn wants a fairer society, reduced working hours as automation increases, more worthwhile jobs not unstable zero contracts, bring back affordable housing, nationalise the failed privatised public services, compassion in farming, climate change.

Even if Corbyn was an criminal, which he isn't, I would still prefer his politics over the shower who have reigned the past 8 or so years.
Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 11-Apr-2019 22:12 Message #4738474
Corbyn as a political leader should support and put his country first. He does have strong feelings for these radical groups, which as a leader of the opposition is simply not acceptable.

No matter how many excuses you make for him, his duty lies first with his country, or give up the job. The oath all MPs take is allegiance to the Crown. I don't think he has given thought to what his position requires of him.
JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 12-Apr-2019 19:19 Message #4738515

Perhaps you have hit the difference.

Corbyn (and me) are World Citizens. He cares about fairness and everyone and being responsible for achieving or aiming for Peace in the world is better for our country. He wants us to be leaders in that peace.

He wouldn't take allegiance to the Crown because he doesn't want a King or Queen as head of state. Remember the issue of him not wanting to kneel before the Queen. It was funny in a way because he was thrown unexpectedly into leadership then had his internal conflict (because he is sincere) in being insincere to his beliefs and following protocol for the role. I think we can grow up at any time, and I think having to reflect and accept these traditions has been difficult. I don't think he believes in God (I don't) but he goes to pay tribute in things he is not comfortable with. Like I have to go to church and feel a right hypocrite because my niece is getting married in a church but I'm not going to let her down by not going.

Even though I think we are lucky with our Royal Family (most of the time), I still think the prime important thing is compassion and recognition of poverty, far more than just looking inward at UK.

Gosh, in Syria a kid has been shot in the face weeks ago and can't get medical help. Like exceptional cases, I think we should step in do what we can to help if at all possible, even though my own children are not getting the help they need here in UK.
tsunamiwarrior  Male  Hertfordshire 12-Apr-2019 19:39 Message #4738516
AAARRRGGGHHH!!! Corbyn is a complete fake. A puppet on a string. A terrorist sympathiser against the British at every turn. A disgrace.
Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 12-Apr-2019 19:40 Message #4738517
Corbyn and Abbott's response to Assange's arrest tells you everything you need to know about what a Labour Government led by that shower would be like.
He tweeted: The extradition of Julian Assange to the US for exposing evidence of atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan should be opposed by the British government.

No mention of the rape allegations against Assange, instead straight in there with some anti US tripe and a clear indication if he was PM he'd probably shake his hand and let him walk free.
Corbyn makes me sick...
NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 12-Apr-2019 21:46 Message #4738524
The rape case was fabricated.

Try Ron Broxted Live Journal even names the 2 women, nice photo of them too.
Have you not even considered how convenient the rape allegation was?
Andromeda  Female  Berkshire 12-Apr-2019 21:50 Message #4738525
Assange is accused of rape but instead of being arrested and questioned he hides in an embassy and refuses to comply with the law. What if every suspected criminal did the same thing?

NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 12-Apr-2019 23:13 Message #4738534
The charge would be very convenient though would it not.
One of the ladies concerned has known connections with the CIA.
Orson  Male  Tayside 1-Jun-2019 22:02 Message #4741114
Is it right for the military to shoot at Jeremy Corbyn targets?

No, they should be allowed to shoot at the real thing.
bella111  Female  Devon 1-Jun-2019 23:52 Message #4741116
Also today he criticises' Donald Trump ( who I do not particularly like) for interfering in our political affairs, Somebody ought to tell him and Khan the same about American Affairs
Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 2-Jun-2019 02:13 Message #4741120
Gilpin 11-Apr-2019 22:12
Corbyn as a political leader should support and put his country first. He does have strong feelings for these radical groups, which as a leader of the opposition is simply not acceptable.

No matter how many excuses you make for him, his duty lies first with his country, or give up the job. The oath all MPs take is allegiance to the Crown. I don't think he has given thought to what his position requires of him.
From the content of these two paragraphs alone I can see that you haven't the remotest idea how politics and international diplomacy works.
You claim that a political leader should support and put his (sic) country first.
All well and good, had it not been that you accuse Corbyn of not behaving correctly but completely ignore May's pandering to the Far Right of her party and their lurch to emulate UKIP/Brexit party.
The policies of May/Rees-Mogg/UKIP-Brexit are designed specifically to support, not the country, but the Spivs and asset-strippers who now own our country. It is they who should "give up the job" which they cannot do.
HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 2-Jun-2019 08:02 Message #4741128
Corbyn as a political leader should support and put his country first. He does have strong feelings for these radical groups, which as a leader of the opposition is simply not acceptable.

No matter how many excuses you make for him, his duty lies first with his country, or give up the job. The oath all MPs take is allegiance to the Crown. I don't think he has given thought to what his position requires of him.

You are right of course. Corbyn will say anything and regularly change his mind verbally but in reality worships the terrorist and the enemies of the U.K.
Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 8-Jun-2019 19:04 Message #4741493
HotOrWot 2-Jun-2019 08:02
in reality worships the terrorist and the enemies of the U.K.
That's rather strong, even for someone with your off-centre views.
What proof do you have for your 'odd' assertions?

Since Mrs May was prepared to enter a coalition with Mr Corbyn to try to resolve BrExit's Gordian Knot, does she stand accused of aiding and abetting the serious misdemeanours with which you attempt to discredit Mr Corbyn?
Lady  Female  North Yorkshire 9-Jun-2019 13:55 Message #4741533
When will these numpties get the message - squaddies have always done stuff that may not be “in the best possible taste” - sometimes their superiors are aware and turn a blind eye, sometimes they get a bit of a rollocking if they go too far - but if you are daft enough to video it and post the evidence online, then you can bet your bottom dollar it will come back to bite you on the bum.
Once it’s in the public domain and the media are reporting on it, you are bringing the military into disrepute so your superiors will come down on you like a ton of bricks.
Nickolette  Female  North London 9-Jun-2019 18:45 Message #4741540
Justlyn, sterling work!
Templar2013  Male  South East London 9-Jun-2019 19:42 Message #4741541
I agree Nickolette. The contribution by JustLyn is very good as are several others. There is also much dross which at times is incomprehensible.
On the subject of the initial poster I think Lady sums up the situation particularly well.

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