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The World Keeps Spinning but

How has it changed over your lifetime?

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Otb  Male  Dorset 28-Dec-2018 18:41 Message #4732167
Either personally, generally or globally, explain your thoughts as to how you feel the world has changed over your own lifetime.

Feel free to share personal anecdotes, common trends or profound examples of change you have witnessed over the years.
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Phoenixnights  Female  Nottinghamshire 28-Dec-2018 19:24 Message #4732179
The internet has changed the way we do so much, shopping, paying bills, communicating , travel. I cant believe how quickly.

When i was first widowed (1996) i went on a Beginners Computer Course which included how to turn it on and off as i had never used one before. Now i wouldnt be able to do my job without a computer and the internet.
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 28-Dec-2018 20:00 Message #4732186
"Either personally, generally or globally, explain your thoughts as to how you feel the world has changed over your own lifetime.

Feel free to share personal anecdotes, common trends or profound examples of change you have witnessed over the years."

………..

Profoundly, unbelievably, beyond belief if you were alive in the 50s. I think technology is recently the most influential of changes. Weapon advancement. Space travel. Science. Medicine. Any of those, and others I haven't thought of has enough material to cover books on the matter.

To me, the world has become a smaller place. The internet allows you instant communication to other parts of the world. Travel to other parts of the world though could be a bit quicker.
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tumbleweed  Male  Gloucestershire 28-Dec-2018 20:53 Message #4732192
Back in the good old 70's, you couldn't swear on the telly, but you could tell racist jokes.

Nowadays, you can motherf'ing swear all you want on telly, but the slightest nod towards a racist comment is seen as death penalty material.

I remember loving the comedians on the telly, in their show called 'The comedians'. I remember off the top of my head, one of the 'jokes' having the punchline 'Mick, Mack, Paddy Wack, leave the wog alone', about a foreman on a building site, shouting out of his window at the two Irish blokes, a Scot and a Scouser ,all beating up a black man, and the program was on telly in primetime. But also the 'outrage' at Johnny Rotten swearing on the Bill Grundy show. Bill Grundy got sacked. And in order to get get a dose of the 'C' word, you had to listen to Derek and Clive tapes.

How it all has changed.

For the better or worse though??
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fosy  Male  Leicestershire 28-Dec-2018 22:47 Message #4732197
the selfish attitude of society generally.

the high levels of debt because of the "i want it now" brigade...which will come back and bite our arses.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 28-Dec-2018 23:10 Message #4732198
Education and knowledge have caused enormous changes.

There was a time when the majority were under-educated with no worldly knowledge and therefore without ambition. This created a camaraderie of equality within this poorly educated and poorly paid group who saw themselves as the working classes.

As more became educated many progressed up the salary ladder and becoming ambitious and striving for “more” while many of those who hadn’t progressed became bitter and saw a “us and them” society.
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 29-Dec-2018 11:16 Message #4732218
I think there were were alway the I want it now brigade, they used to use hire purchase rather than credit cards.

I agree with you HotOrWot, I'm really glad attitudes to education have changed, a cousin was stopped from going to grammar school because it was felt by his father and my grandfather that he grow away from them and get posh. I'm glad girls have an equal chance to be educated to their abilities rather than sent for inferior schooling to keep up the myth that boys were cleverer.

Theres been far to many changes to count or enumerate, some are negative and some are positive and some more neutral, for example I've noticed that dogs that were popular in my childhood are rarely seen now, Afghan Hounds and Lassie type Collies, now there loads of Pugs and other small dogs.

Over all I'm quite happy with many of the changes to society over my lifetime, I'm glad we've lost much of the post war stuffiness that infected us, I like that society is more multi-racial, multi-cultural, gay friendly and generally open and less class ridden. The food is so much better both in quality and type. Sunday is no longer an day of indigestion and boredom.

The downsides, less snow in winter, hotter summers, more traffic and people and nasty houses made of ticky tacky.
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fosy  Male  Leicestershire 29-Dec-2018 12:29 Message #4732221
"I think there were were alway the I want it now brigade, they used to use hire purchase rather than credit cards. "

thats true, but loans/credit was much harder to get in those days so the borrowing levels were a lot lower.
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leogirl  Female  Essex 29-Dec-2018 13:09 Message #4732223
in the late 60sh hire purchase was a necessity for many of us to get the most basic things in life . Most people saved up until they could afford the luxuries they wanted.
Much less pressure from peers at school to keep up with the newest fashion trend and designer label status symbols .
The " buy now, pay later" credit card culture around the beginning of the century got many people in deep financial trouble for decades!
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mancers  Male  Greater Manchester 29-Dec-2018 14:44 Message #4732224
In the 1960s and 70s the slum housing was being demolished and new Council estates were being made, people were gradually living better, then around the 80s people were allowed to buy their Council houses at upto 70% off the going price, those that could afford to bought in and prospered, since then though hardly any cheap houses were made, so we were gradually slipping back to landlords who wanted extortionate money for not fit to live In property’s, people being made homeless even dying on the streets, so now in the 21st Century we are slipping backwards, no jobs inadequate housing health system on its knees, those with,are blind to what’s really happening,but be afraid the avalanche has started and it’s picking people up as it falls.
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MrQuiet  Male  Northamptonshire 29-Dec-2018 15:47 Message #4732226
All housing has improved since the slum housing and veery basic council housing and has continued to improve even while tenant expectations are rising. Mortgage lenders loaned too much and people who couldn't afford it borrowed too much. Now things have quite rightly been tightened up and it is much more difficult to borrow beyond your means.
Unless you read the Mail you will probably find an endless supply of good and fair landlords letting at reasonable prices. Even in London with it's high house prices you can rent at reasonable prices if you look around.
The government have put millions of extra pounds into helping those with addictions and mental health problems which account for most of the homeless in the UK. I work with the homeless and also for a government monitored company which deals with those threatened with eviction and helping them to sort out their finances. The housing is there for the homeless which is why you never see families on the streets the way you do in tother countries. A lot of the shlters which are provided free are nowhere near full because so many of the homeless do not want to use them.
As long as Brexit doesn't cause a big upheavel in jobs then unemployment is going down and this will continue to be a good place to live.
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 29-Dec-2018 16:44 Message #4732227
I want to live in Mr Quiets world, where is it?
No problems at all there.
Problem is I have to go outside sometimes.
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Jeff  Male  East Sussex 29-Dec-2018 17:07 Message #4732228
Large computers, desktop computers, smartphones.

They were predicted by people like Nicola Tesla and Arthur C. Clarke, (but not by president of IBM Thomas Watson).

But their effect on our everyday life is mind-blowing. Especially as there are approximately 40 million smartphones in the UK.
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 29-Dec-2018 18:17 Message #4732232
I guess that any of the luxuries of the 50's and 60's are essentials for many now, how many launderettes do you see now? Whe I was a child in the 60's and 70's every parade of shop had one, but now they're restricted to holiday places and student areas. Then, also things were built to last and be mended, parts were available and replacable as were the people who could fix things, with built in redundancy that no longer happens, we're also discouraged from trying to fix things by not being able to get at the bit thats gone wrong, like kettle elements. You used to buy a three piece suite and maybe have it recovered once or twice, now furniture is made of soft wood often stapled together and the fabrics arn't as hard wearing.

There ay not have been as much peer pressure when I was younger, but it was stil there and just as vicious, social acceptability could still ride on having the right sort of shoes or jeans or hairstyle, I'm sure the kicking you got outside the school gates hurt just as much then as it would now. I suspect in some ways things are better now as people are so much more aware of bullying and the damage it does, I was told to 'just stay away from them', easier said than done and I well remember break times spent constantly on the move trying to stay away from gangs of bullies.

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BOYDEL  Male  Surrey 29-Dec-2018 19:47 Message #4732235
Credit cards also date back to 1960s in UK - Midland Bank (HSBC) sent out millions unsolicited in mid 1960s to get more customers.
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BOYDEL  Male  Surrey 29-Dec-2018 20:19 Message #4732237
FWIW - the record period for Council House new builds was 1950 to 1955 when 894000 were built - nearly 15000 every month.
Overall from 1946 to 1981 new builds averaged 142000 pa.
What is especially noteworthy is that pre 1977 (Housing the Homeless Act) you needed to have a decent job to show the Council you could pay rent before being granted a tenancy - so that meant most of the poorest households were still living in slum housing.

From late 1970s onward allocation of Council tenancies switched radically to needs-based - whereby only the desperate/destitute got the new tenancies - hence we saw HB claimants in social housing (SRS) go from just 10% in 1980 to almost 80% today (English Housing Survey).

In the Home Counties in 1940s/50s many of the Council houses would have been built for a total of £500 and whilst rents in say 1950 would have been around £1.50 weekly - today rents would be around £150 weekly/£7800 pa - so even allowing for inflation - social landlords are making a packet!

A BTL landlord today will have to pay from £400k to £500k for one of those ex Council 3 bed semis - so even with a 75% IOM at say 5% the rent needs to be £15000 pa to cover the loan - so that explains why private rents are dearer in the South.

Until the 1990s social landlords got 75% new build subsidy from Govt - but that has been cut to 14% - so needing 86% commercial loans at average 4.125% interest - thus needing rent around 80% of private market rent so as to repay loan over the usual 60 yr term - hence a new build 2 bed HA flat in Kingston has rent £1000 pcm.
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BOYDEL  Male  Surrey 29-Dec-2018 20:29 Message #4732240
I want to live in Mr Quiets world, where is it?
No problems at all there.
Problem is I have to go outside sometimes.

Today the majority of even the poorest households today have better housing standards than some royalty did 100 yrs ago - as vast majority will have central heating/DG/fitted kitchens/H&C running water etc - and the early Council housing even in to very late 20th C was a mere shell by today's standards.
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 29-Dec-2018 20:39 Message #4732241
Houses are there for the homeless, that's why we have no families on the street
I guess that would be because families are top of the ladder when it comes to social housing.
Also any children on the street would be taken in by the care system.
Unlike other countries.
Which countries do you have in mind Mr Quiet?
Which countries are you using to make good your argument?

Endless supply of good and fair landlords, letting houses at reasonable prices.

NO! You can quite often notice private rented houses by their exterior condition.
I know quite a few landlords too. They are only interested in how much.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 29-Dec-2018 20:51 Message #4732243
My World has changed from being a 1950's child in a rural area, definitely treated as a girl, yet quite progressive by today's expectations, had a breadth of toys from train sets, a full Matchbox car set, a black doll, a boy doll, a full set of Arthur Mee's Childrens' Encyclopaedias and my grandfathers regular delivery of Readers' Digest. I could read before starting school, do embroidery and knitting if my gran was around, and car body "wet and dry" on my grandfather's old Riley. I was allowed to explore the countryside alone, dangers and all. No mollycoddling. I once told my mother I had found a large pond in the field across the old road. She kept me away from it by telling me that in it lived a large snake that would wrap it around me and drag me under the water if I went too near the edge. It worked!


My parents, though went to school, neither were highly educated. My dad was a mule spinner in a cotton mill and his dad was a Conservative Magistrate, always disappointed with his son. I had never seen a black person yet my mother always made sure I was aware of their existence and she bought me a black doll and a book (now considered racist and banned), that I adored about a black little boy and how he tried to scrub himself white. I recall, reflecting as an uneducated but intelligent 3-year-old, why did the little black boy want to be a white boy. In my innocence and naivety, it just seemed normal, across the other side of the World people living in different environments. I had seen this in my treasured encyclopaedias, so perhaps the little girl in shorts all the time wasn't so uneducated.


I had no TV, no telephone, not like children today. I am so sad in baby clinic, to see so many 1-year-olds having a screen pushed in their little faces, to pacify them, to keep them quiet. They are growing up in this World to expect a screen to be their entertainer, their pacifier, their company. In fact people generally seem to find it difficult to just be, with themselves, just the stars above them. I think this is one of the components of the start of poor mental health. Today, we are so dependent on action of some kind. Children need constant stimulation.
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terry  Male  West Yorkshire 30-Dec-2018 09:22 Message #4732253
I've aged...that seems pretty profound to me
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RAACH84  Female  Buckinghamshire 30-Dec-2018 09:35 Message #4732255
I don’t think the world has changed much during my lifetime. It’s me who has changed through living life’s experiences. All of my adult life bringing up two children I have been grateful I was born here in England as for all our faults we are one of best countries to live in.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 30-Dec-2018 10:48 Message #4732260
RAACH84,

It's when people become sick, we discover England is not a great place. I don't mean disabled, that is different from having an illness that is ignored and neglected.

As one African social worker pointed out to me, in England we have lost a lot of our social structure that used to care. What seemed a good thing in one way, social mobility, moving sidewards for work, so families are not in the community together any more sharing of care and concern.

We have what is perceived as progression, women's right (and needs) to work, so rightly or wrongly, we no longer have a caring structure in the home where our elderly used to be part of that home life.


If you are in a lucky bubble where life is relatively working out for you are yours, it is easy to judge everything is just great, but the system is badly falling down where people do not fit what is considered standard. That is why we have so many homeless, not all on drugs as people assume, except to get through a miserable day maybe.

If one of yours ever developed a condition and could not work, I don't mean losing a leg or a disability like that, you would feel a vociferous as I do in defence of your child's quality of life and how England is not getting it right at all.
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RAACH84  Female  Buckinghamshire 30-Dec-2018 15:20 Message #4732271
I am well aware of your views JustLyn but seldom agree with them. In the past view years I have survived a very violent relationship, been made homeless, have been penniless, relied on benefits, had one very ill child I thought would not survive so I doubt many would see me in any lucky bubble.
I certainly don’t want to be constantly moaning about my situation or sharing my miserable moments on here. I am just glad I live in a country which looks after its people better than most countries. I see the positives and try to help my children do the same. You can’t ignore the negatives but you can live for the positives.
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nellieredshoes  Female  West Yorkshire 30-Dec-2018 16:25 Message #4732274
The world has changed tremendously over the last 70+ years. The world I live in now bears little relation to the one I was born into.
Technology has allowed all sorts of advances in so many different ways. We now have the NHS. Which saved my life and the lives of other members of my family. We have computers and internet which enable us to connect with people all over the world. Machines now do much of the backbreaking thankless drudgery that previous generations had to do. All in all the world has progressed incredibly. Of course that in itself has presented this and future generations with totally new and complex problems about how to sustain our lives on this earth.
People have not changed though. There are still good people and unfortunately still bad people. Most of us only see what is immediately around us but I believe that there are still some with vision and foresight and the ability to make a positive difference in the future.
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BOYDEL  Male  Surrey 30-Dec-2018 18:02 Message #4732280
I recall reading somewhere that average actual RTB discount was 50% - so a good number of buyers did not have the necessary duration of tenancy for full discount percentage - ie 30 yrs on houses to get max 60% discount/15 yrs on flats to get max 70% discount.

Also noteworthy is that Council rents doubled between 1979/1983 - thus giving a massive incentive to able buyers to reduce their future housing costs.

In most cases the RTB buyers would have seen rents overtake their mortgage costs very soon after buying.

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