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Wars and terrorism

during Covid

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tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire
15-Oct-2020 09:13 Message #4795185
Although some things continue......some don't make the main stream news.....has there been a decrease in war and terrorism around the world since Covid struck?......

Has there been any big terrorist attacks?......

If there has been a decrease.....is it as an indirect result of covid and the restrictions etc......
Male
Templar2013  Male  South East London
15-Oct-2020 09:29 Message #4795188
A good point. If Covid is making troops or causing deaths it may well be enough to prevent some of the conflicts on a very temporary basis.

Reporting of wars throughout the world has always been political. There are certain conflicts which attract attention and others involve millions slaughtered and genocides without even reaching the front pages.
A great many of those reporting on wars and also those online vilifying one particular side in a war choose a "popular" cause which most often reflects their politics or their dislike of one of the warring factions.

Afghanistan, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Iraq, Libya, Nigeria, Israel and the Gaza Strip, Iraq, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan, South Sudan, Syria and the Ukraine. Most of these have probably been in armed conflict or all of my lifetime.
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Jeff  Male  East Sussex
15-Oct-2020 12:24 Message #4795221
A United Nations report (which I downloaded from https://undocs.org/S/2020/717 as N2016147.DOC) dated 23-Jul-20 summary starts "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) remains resilient; and Al-Qaida has ingrained itself in local communities and conflicts. Both organizations and their global affiliates and supporters continue to generate violence around the world, whether through insurgency tactics, the direction and facilitation of terrorism or providing the inspiration for attacks. ISIL operations have increased in the core conflict zone of Iraq and the Syrian Arab Republic, a cause of concern for Member States. Behind this trend lies a more complex picture, in which ISIL maintains the ambition to control territory and populations but, for the moment, represents an entrenched rural insurgency without the reach to threaten urban areas on a sustained basis. The impact of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic on terrorism has varied between conflict zones and non-conflict zones and between short- and longer-term threats. Groups are using the outbreak to advance propaganda and fundraising and, in some regions, are seeking to take advantage of perceptions that the attention of security forces is diverted elsewhere. At the same time, the pandemic has made cross-border travel more difficult and targets more elusive, and the operational tempo of attacks has slowed discernibly in some regions."
That report gives few figures and no graphs.

The Religion of Peace (TROP) website lists Islamic attacks every day. The basis of its reporting is in https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/site/the-list.aspx and probably excludes many attacks. It includes "not all such attacks are picked up by prominent news sources, even those resulting in multiple loss of life. These are not incidents of ordinary crime involving nominal Muslims killing for money or vendetta. This is deadly violence that is reasonably determined to have been committed out of religious duty - as interpreted by the perpetrator. Islam needs to be a motive, but it need not be the only factor. For example, the Munich mall shooting in July, 2016 was by a Muslim, but it is not on the list, because it was not inspired by a sense of religious duty. Usually, only those attacks resulting in loss of life are listed, although there are a few exceptions. In several cases, the deaths are undercounted because they may occur in later days, despite the best efforts of medical personnel to keep the victims alive.In 2014, the BBC did a thorough analysis of Islamic terror attacks occurring during the month of November. They found 664 attacks and 5,042 deaths. TROP listed only 284 attacks and 2,515 deaths for the month, meaning that the true extent of Islamic terror was undercounted by a significant margin. ... Unlike the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), which publishes a tally of alleged "hate crimes" each year without supporting data, TROP provides detail of each incident that is claimed as a terror attack and makes it available for verification."

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30 includes:-
For week 03-Oct-20 to 09-Oct-20 in 13 countries there have been 45 attacks, 15 killed, 93 injured, 2 suicide blasts.
For the month of September 2020 in 22 countries there have been 211 attacks, 764 killed, 435 injured, 12 suicide blasts.

The list includes just for the day 14-Oct-20:-
- Afghanistan Mehtarlam, 3 killed, 15 injured, "bomb planted by an Islamic fundamentalist group"
- Afghanistan Gozargah-e-Noor, 16 killed, 10 injured, "security personnel are murdered by the Taliban"
- Pakistan North Waziristan, 7 killed, 0 injured, "Fundamentalists kills seven Pakistanis in two attacks."
- Afghanistan Kushki Kuhna, 5 killed, 10 injured, "Five children are eliminated by the Taliban."
- Yemen Salh, 1 killed, 2 injured, "Ansar Allah bombing" (in Houthi movement).
That list goes back to 15-Sep-20, and in that period every day has
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Jeff  Male  East Sussex
15-Oct-2020 12:25 Message #4795222
That list goes back to 15-Sep-20, and in that period every day has had between 2 and 13 attacks.
Male
MrQuiet  Male  Northamptonshire
15-Oct-2020 16:40 Message #4795249
Reporting of wars throughout the world has always been political. There are certain conflicts which attract attention and others involve millions slaughtered and genocides without even reaching the front pages.

Ain't that the truth. The number of deaths is less important than the political bias which can be attached to wars.
Female
Aely  Female  Hampshire
15-Oct-2020 18:25 Message #4795255
Couldn't believe that Armenia/Azerbaijan has kicked off at such a time. Don't they all have enough to worry about already?
Male
HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire
15-Oct-2020 22:56 Message #4795281
A good point. If Covid is making troops or causing deaths it may well be enough to prevent some of the conflicts on a very temporary basis.

Reporting of wars throughout the world has always been political. There are certain conflicts which attract attention and others involve millions slaughtered and genocides without even reaching the front pages.
A great many of those reporting on wars and also those online vilifying one particular side in a war choose a "popular" cause which most often reflects their politics or their dislike of one of the warring factions.

Afghanistan, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Iraq, Libya, Nigeria, Israel and the Gaza Strip, Iraq, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan, South Sudan, Syria and the Ukraine. Most of these have probably been in armed conflict or all of my lifetime.


Exactly. It was a good point though as it would be miraculous if Covid ended all the conflicts.
Female
Gilpin  Female  Middlesex
16-Oct-2020 10:36 Message #4795306
I don't really think covid would be a priority in a war zone. I would have thought not many people carrying it go to war zones, and covid is a transmission pandemic.

It looks like Turkey could or has entered a war, with its support being given to Azerbaijan. This would put him at odds with Russia, and not the first time. Turkey is a member of NATO who have asked Erdogan, together with Russia, to cease hostilities.
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HonestBob  Male  the Central region
18-Oct-2020 09:37 Message #4795434
"Has there been any big terrorist attacks?......"

Eh.... What about the teacher who was beheaded in France this week? Think it was announced as a terror attack and not a "Nothing to do with that religion!" line. He was screaming that phrase they all like to scream as they murder, and mutate people!
Female
Gilpin  Female  Middlesex
18-Oct-2020 15:54 Message #4795478
A shocking occurance. But why on earth will people mock what is very sacred to some. And why was this being shown to a class of children. It is just stupid all round.

I don't think that's terrorism by the way. It sounds personal to one individual.
Female
Andromeda  Female  Berkshire
18-Oct-2020 16:39 Message #4795489
It's beyond belief that a teacher would be teaching pupils to mock the beliefs of others and he had mentioned the Charlie Hebdo case to his pupils and already received threats prior to the attack.

Not that a bad teacher deserved to be murdered.
Male
HonestBob  Male  the Central region
19-Oct-2020 07:28 Message #4795520
"But why on earth will people mock what is very sacred to some. And why was this being shown to a class of children. It is just stupid all round."

Was he mocking? Even if he was....

What could a Muslim say about Jesus that would result in a public beheading?

The..... brown looking guy, who tried ripping a cross off a church in London somewhere, doubt his head will be hacked off by any extremist Christian folk.
Male
persona_non_grata  Male  North London
19-Oct-2020 08:21 Message #4795523
Yes he was mocking and teaching his pupils to mock too. Bob. I think you're wrong that the white supremacists and white racists don't behave against blacks in the same way although we don't get much of either in the UK.
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HonestBob  Male  the Central region
19-Oct-2020 08:24 Message #4795524
" I think you're wrong that the white supremacists and white racists don't behave against blacks in the same way although we don't get much of either in the UK."

Sorry PNG could you clarify..... What do whites do to blacks?

Female
Greencare  Female  Berkshire
19-Oct-2020 10:06 Message #4795529
I would glance in your history books for those answers HonestBob. Whites were slaughtering blacks long before black people retaliated.
Male
HonestBob  Male  the Central region
20-Oct-2020 08:18 Message #4795613
"Whites were slaughtering blacks long before black people retaliated."

Really?

Is that why they come to traditionally white countries and commit so much crime?

All those migrants in France, all so desperate to come here (for safety)..... Don't they know we are racist?
Male
HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire
20-Oct-2020 09:04 Message #4795616
KKK ?
Male
HonestBob  Male  the Central region
21-Oct-2020 08:22 new  Message #4795679
"KKK ?"

.......... Yes, go on!

I've go a bit lost here.
Male
tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire
21-Oct-2020 08:34 new  Message #4795683
There are the white supremacists in the world......the KKK and all that....

I've told this story before on here......I went to school with one who later became a white supremacist...

He was a mate at school......We then went our separate ways....He formed a band.....I joined the Merch.....

Long story short.......His band became Skrewdriver.....They went on to be notorious National Front band....having started out as just rock....then punk....then skinhead.....

He was killed in 1993........His name was Ian Stuart Donaldson......He has loads of worshippers to this day......

I hate what he became.......He wasn't like that at school.....
Male
MrQuiet  Male  Northamptonshire
21-Oct-2020 09:12 new  Message #4795686
""KKK ?"

.......... Yes, go on!

I've go a bit lost here."

I'm sure you're not lost at all Bob. Would you say you are a white supremacist or supremacist supporter?

The Ku Klux Klan (/?ku? kl?ks 'klæn, ?kju?-/),[a] commonly called the KKK or the Klan, is an American white supremacist hate group whose primary targets are African Americans, as well as Jews, immigrants, leftists, homosexuals, and Catholics.[21] The Klan has existed in three distinct eras at different points in time during the history of the United States. Each has advocated extremist reactionary positions such as white nationalism, anti-immigration and – especially in later iterations – Nordicism,[22][23] antisemitism, prohibition, homophobia, Islamophobia, anti-atheism, and anti-Catholicism. Historically, the first Klan used terrorism – both physical assault and murder – against politically active blacks and their allies in the South in the late 1860s, until it was suppressed around 1872. All three movements have called for the "purification" of American society and all are considered "right-wing extremist" organizations.[24][25][26][27] In each era, membership was secret and estimates of the total were highly exaggerated by both friends and enemies.
The first Klan flourished in the Southern United States in the late 1860s during Reconstruction, then died out by the early 1870s. It sought to overthrow the Republican state governments in the South, especially by using voter intimidation and targeted violence against African-American leaders. Each chapter was autonomous and highly secret as to membership and plans. Its numerous chapters across the South were suppressed around 1871, through federal law enforcement. Members made their own, often colorful, costumes: robes, masks and conical hats, designed to be terrifying and to hide their identities.

There have been further kkk hate groups in the 1920s and another later group still around today.


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