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Dynasties

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tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire
13-Sep-2020 16:20 Message #4792219
I'm not sure if it all comes under dynasty....but I'm thinking of famous people ( in their own fields ) who have generations of success in those fields....

examples..

The racing today at the Curragh in Ireland.....The O'brien brothers.....Donnacha and Joseph...First and second in the big gp1 race.....sons of Aidan O'Brien......his other children are jockeys as well..

There are a lot in racing the same.....The Walsh family for instance.....Ted....son Ruby...daughter Katie

Same with boxing......The Fury family....The Eubanks....The Benns....amongst a few...

Acting.......I was watching Tippi Hedren ( The birds )....Her daughter is Melanie Griffiths....Melanies daughter is Dakota Johnson...Dakotas father is Don Johnson......

I've never seen Dakota acting.....but she was the star of some of the most recent biggest films.....The 'Shades of Grey' trilogy...I've seen some interviews with her though.....Very attractive and seems a really fun person......

Diana Rigg ( RIP ) and her daughter Rachael Stirling...

Are there any that you can think of......in any profession.....
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tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire
14-Sep-2020 07:44 Message #4792267
Another acting one.....The Redgraves...

Michael ( the Lady vanishes ).......his children.....Vanessa, Lynn, Corin
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HonestBob  Male  the Central region
14-Sep-2020 21:41 Message #4792326
Eh....

Could my family be one?

Most of the men in my family have been heavily involved in HGV driving / bus driving.... if you include my nephew who is a DPD van driver.. 4 generations of transport workers!
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tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire
27-Sep-2020 06:57 Message #4793360
Matchroom.........Barry Hearn.....and son Eddie....

Albert Steptoe.....and son Harold.

Actress Wanda Ventham....and son Benedict Cumberbatch
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Kimjongun  Male  South Yorkshire
27-Sep-2020 17:06 Message #4793424
I see Frank Lampard score goal on television.
He play for West Ham in 1970's
Then his son played for West Ham, then played for Chelsea.
Son is now manager of Chelsea.
What about that for talent, father and son.
What was son called?

Great footballer have son great footballer.
Unfortunately Gary Lineker's sons are crap at football.
They eat too many crisps!
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Jeff  Male  East Sussex
27-Sep-2020 20:23 Message #4793447
In American politics, the families Kennedy, Bush and Clinton spring to mind, so I looked them up. (I'll omit their earlier political positions.)

Wikipedia on the Kennedy family includes:-
Patrick Joseph ("P.J.") Kennedy 1884-1895 in Massachusetts state legislature.
"At least one Kennedy family member served in federal elective office in every year from 1947, when P. J. Kennedy's grandson, John F. Kennedy, became a member of Congress from Massachusetts; to 2011, when P. J. Kennedy's great-grandson, Patrick J. Kennedy, retired as a member of Congress from Rhode Island, a span of 64 years."
The descendants of P. J.'s son, Joseph P. Kennedy Sr., and Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy include President John F. Kennedy (who had also served in the United States Congress), U.S. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy (who later served in the U.S. Senate), four other members of the United States House of Representatives or Senate, and two U.S. ambassadors, a lieutenant governor, three state legislators (one of whom went on to the U.S. House of Representatives), and one mayor."

George H.W. Bush U.S. President 1989-1993.
George W. Bush U.S. President 2001-2009 (son of George H.W. Bush)
Jeb Bush 1999-2007 (son of George H.W. Bush)

Bill Clinton U.S.President 1993-2001
Hillary Clinton U.S. Secretary of State (like our Foreign Secretary) 2009-2013 (wife of Bill).
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Jeff  Male  East Sussex
27-Sep-2020 21:45 Message #4793449
a. Islam was founded by Muhammad, whom Muslims regard as the "perfect" man.
He died in 632 AD, poisoned by a Jewish woman whose family he had murdered.

b. Muhammad's successor was his companion Abu Bakr, who was father-in-law of his favourite wife Aisha. (Many reliable sources state clearly that Muhammad became engaged to Aisha when he was about 53 years old and she was only 6 years old, and he consummated his marriage to her when she was 9 years old, setting an example for very many centuries.)
But other Muslims wanted it to be Ali ibn Abi Talib, who was Muhammad's cousin and son-in-law. This was the start of the split, which still persists today, between Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims. Shias believe that the only legitimate Islamic rulers must be in Muhammad's family, and they are infallible and without sin.

c. In 634AD Abu Bakr's successor was Umar (Omar), as decided by Abu Bakr. He was murdered in 644AD.

d. Umar's successor was Uthman, who gave his relatives powerful positions. He was murdered in 656AD.

e. Uthman's successor was Ali ibn Abi Talib - see b. He was murdered in 661AD.

f. Ali's successor was his son Hasan, who gave way to Mu'awiyah, whose descendants ruled as the Umayyad dynasty until 750AD.
Hasan was poisoned by his wife in 670AD.



g. The Bahai religion was founded in 1863 by Baha'u'llah.

h. Baha'u'llah died in 1892 and, following his Will, his son 'Abdu'l-Baha became as leader, but there were family disputes about his powers.
'Abdu'l-Baha's Will included his successor as a "Guardian" and a "Universal House of Justice. "Whatsoever they decide is of God. Whoso obeyeth him not, neither obeyeth them, hath not obeyed God; whoso rebelleth against him and against them hath rebelled against God; whoso opposeth him hath opposed God; whoso contendeth with them hath contended with God; whoso disputeth with him hath disputed with God; whoso denieth him hath denied God; whoso disbelieveth in him hath disbelieved in God; whoso deviateth, separateth himself and turneth aside from him hath in truth deviated, separated himself and turned aside from God."

i. 'Abdu'l-Baha died in 1921 and, following his Will, his grandson Shoghi Effendi became Guardian, but again there were family disputes, and he excommunicated nearly all descendents of 'Abdu'l-Baha'!

j. Shoghi Effendi died in 1957, but he had disobeyed the rule to make a Will, so nobody followed him as Guardian.
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Jeff  Male  East Sussex
27-Sep-2020 22:52 Message #4793458
The US President from 1901 to 1909 was Theodore Roosevelt Jr, nickname "Teddy". He was extremely popular, and won the Nobel Peace Prize. Teddy bears were named after him, because he said that a captured bear deliberately injured should be killed, but he refused to shoot it.
Teddy's 2nd wife was Edith Kermit Carow.

The US President from 1933 to 1945 was Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Teddy's 5th cousin.
FDR married his 5th cousin once removed, whose maiden name was Eleanor Roosevelt, so she didn't need to change her surname! She was a very political person.
FDR's son was Kermit Roosevelt, (father of Kermit Roosevelt Jr, who had a son named Kermit and a grandson named Kermit).



Another famous person having forename Franklin is Franklin Graham. He is an evangelist, and said in 2016 "I have zero hope for the Democratic Party; I have no hope for the Republican Party. I am running a campaign to put God back in the political process." Then following Donald Trump's victory, Franklin said "I believe that at this election, God showed up". In November 2019 Franklin said that people who were trying to undermine Trump were "almost a demonic power" and that Trump "believes in God. He believes in Jesus Christ".

Franklin Graham's father was evangelist Billy Graham, who also voted for Trump. I remember in June 1967 going with some schoolfriends to one of Billy Graham's London "crusade" rallies, and he mentioned star Jayne Mansfield who had just been killed in a car accident. One of my friends became a Christian at that rally, but I was never a believer.
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Jeff  Male  East Sussex
28-Sep-2020 15:40 Message #4793492
Many of us know some pieces by composer Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750). He had 20 children by two wives. About 1965 our elderly music teacher said that J.S.Bach was very good on the organ. I doubt that he realised that many his class would later tell jokes about that.

One of J.S.Bach's most famous pieces was Air on the G String - (is that a stripper's nightmare?!) Although Bach wrote it in another key and it wasn't just for one string on the violin. There's a bit of it in Procol Harem's 1967 classic hit "A Whiter Shade of Pale". According to Wikipedia, co-songwriter Gary Brooker said "If you trace the chordal element, it does a bar or two of Bach's 'Air on a G String' before it veers off. That spark was all it took. I wasn't consciously combining rock with classical, it's just that Bach's music was in me." Also "Other writers have noted similar "family resemblances" to other works by Bach: the Sinfonia which opens the cantata Ich steh mit einem Fuss im Grabe, BWV 156, the organ chorale Prelude "O Mensch, bewein' dein' Sünde gross" (O Man, Lament Your Sin So Great), BWV 622, from the Orgelbüchlein (Little Organ Book) and the Cantata Sleepers Wake, BWV140."

Another of J.S.Bach's famous pieces could be sung:-
la lala lalala lalala lalalalalalalalala lalala lalala lalala lalala la etc. having countermelody la la la la la la la (Can you tell what it is yet? Answer at bottom.)


The youngest of J.S.Bach's 11 sons was Johann Christian Bach (1735-1782), (not to be confused with two others having the same name). He was a composer, and influenced Hadyn & Mozart.


Another of J.S.Bach's sons was composer Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach (1714-1788). At the time, he had a higher reputation than his father, and Beethoven & Haydn admired him and collected his music. An archive contained 5,100 compositions, many by C.P.E.Bach, and 500 by 12 members of the Bach family.


Answer to lala: Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring, (originally "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben" or "Heart and Mouth and Deed and Life").
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fosy  Male  Leicestershire
28-Sep-2020 16:12 Message #4793494
unfortunately dysentery has always run in our family....
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Jeff  Male  East Sussex
28-Sep-2020 16:22 Message #4793495
The following members of the Bernoulli family in Basel Switzerland were all mathematicians:-
Jacob (also known as Jakob or Jacques or James) Bernoulli (1654–1705);
Johann (Jean) Bernoulli (1667–1748);
Nicolaus I Bernoulli (1687–1759);
Nicolaus II Bernoulli (1695–1726);
Daniel Bernoulli (1700–1782);
Johann II (Jean) Bernoulli (1710–1790);
Johann III (Jean) Bernoulli (1744–1807);
Jacob II (Jacques) Bernoulli (1759–1789).

Daniel Bernoulli deduced that fluid pressure decreases when flow speed increases. That is how aeroplanes fly and sailing boats travel. (See thread "What scientific theory or natural phenomena did you get completely wrong?" http://www.midsummerseve.com/fora/thread.aspx?threadid=194142&page=4 on 06-Jul-20 at 21:51.)

Jacob Bernoulli derived:-
- The law of large numbers (Bernoulli's Golden Theorem) which says that in experiments involving chance, the more trials one does tends to get nearer the expected value, e.g. tossing a fair coin 10 times can easily give 6 or fewer heads, whereas tossing it 100 times is unlikely to give 60 or fewer heads, and 1,000 times is very unlikely to give 600 or fewer heads, as more tosses tends towards 50%.
- The incredibly important and useful number 2.71828182845904523536028747135266249775724709369995... which is known as Euler's number. For a minor example of its use, see my many posts from 21-May-14 to 27-May-14 in thread "How To Marry The Right Girl A Mathematical Solution" http://www.midsummerseve.com/fora/thread.aspx?threadid=179720&page=1
- The shape of the isochrone curve, falling down which balls starting from different heights will arrive at the bottom at the same time. You could try to guess what it looks like.

Nicolaus I Bernoulli and Daniel Bernoulli worked on the St. Petersburg paradox. You may like to think about this:-
Suppose you are in a casino which has a fair (50/50) coin that it repeatedly tosses until tails appears for the first time, and then it stops.
- If tails appears on the 1st toss, then the casino will pay you £1.
- If tails doesn't appear until the 2nd toss, then the casino will pay you £2.
- If tails doesn't appear until the 3rd toss, then the casino will pay you £4.
- If tails doesn't appear until the 4th toss, then the casino will pay you £8.
and so on. The question is: If you bet against the casino the same amount for each toss, bearing in mind that you could win a large amount of money, (e.g. £16 if heads appears the first 4 times, £1,024 if many heads appears before the first tail, and so on), what would be a fair amount for you to make your bet each time?

Related to that, some gamblers think that the Martingale system assures that you will win. On a 50/50 go, (such as roulette reds (ignoring zero), start betting £1, then double your bet every time you lose, then when you eventually win you will have won £1, and then start again at £1. For example, you lose £1, then £2, then £4, then £8, then you win £16, which is £1 more than the sum of your losses, then you start again at £1. What is wrong with that strategy to be sure of winning?
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happywalker  Female  Dorset
28-Sep-2020 16:57 Message #4793497
“unfortunately dysentery has always run in our family....“

Fosy, I voted that excellent, so funny, made me laugh so much I frightened the dog!

We need more light-hearted witty comments like that ??
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fosy  Male  Leicestershire
28-Sep-2020 22:22 Message #4793512
happywalker,

glad you liked...hope your dog has recovered !
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Jeff  Male  East Sussex
30-Sep-2020 11:28 new  Message #4793576
(I have to be careful what I write, as Kimjongun is a member of MSE and he might read this.)
In the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, (which as its official name indicates is one of the greatest democracies in the world, and doubtless all of its people love its leaders):-
- Kim Jong-un is Supreme Leader and has titles including Chairman of the Workers' Party of Korea and Marshal in the Korean People's Army. Presumably that is because he is an extremely hard worker for all his people's benefit, and the army works to help all the people and for peaceful purposes. He has a very kind sister Kim Yo-jong who might be his successor.
- Their father was Kim Jong-il, who was Supreme Leader etc. from 1994 to 2011. He died in 2011 but is still the "Eternal General Secretary" of the Worker's Party of Korea and the "Eternal Chairman of the National Defence Commission".
- Kim Jong-il's father was Kim Il-sung who was Premier from 1948 to 1972 and President from 1972 to 1994. He died in 1994 but is still "eternal President of the Republic"


In India:-
(a) Jawaharlal Nehru was India's prime minister from 1947 to 1964.
(b) Nandlal Nehru was Diwan (like a senior minister) of a state in India in the 1870s. He was a nephew of (a) Jawaharlal.
(c) Indira Gandhi was India's prime minister from 1966 to 1977, and from 1980 to 1984. She was the daughter of (a) Jawaharlal. (Her husband Feroze Gandhi had changed his surname from Ghandy to Gandhi because he admired Mahatma Gandhi!)
(d) Rajiv Gandhi was India's prime minister from 1984 to 1989. He was the elder son of (c) Indira.
(e) Motilal Nehru was president of the Indian National Congress party from 1919-1920 and 1928-1929. He was the brother of (b) Nandlal.
(f) Vijaya Lakshmi Pandit was president of the United Nations General Assembly in 1953. She was the eldest daughter of (e) Motilal.
(g) Brijlal Nehru was Finance Minister of an Indian state. He was a son of (b) Nandlal.
(h) Braj Kumar Nehru was governor of several Indian states. He was a son of (g) Brijlal.
(i) Balwant Kumar Nehru was president of the All-India Management Association. He was a son of (g) Brijlal.
(j) Sonia Gandhi was president of the Indian National Congress from 1998 to 2017. She was the widow of (d) Rajiv.
(k) Rahul Gandhi was president of the Congress party from 2017 and 2019. He was the son of (d) Rajiv.

The above and other members of the Nehru/Gandhi family have also held other very high positions in politics and business.


Correction: The original St. Petersburg paradox asked what would be an appropriate amount to pay in advance for all the 50/50 gambles that have the payout stated above, bearing in mind that you might win £1 or £2 or £4 or £8 or ... or £128 or £256 or ..., with the larger amounts less likely because they only apply if you haven't previously won a smaller amount.

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NoSaint  Female  Devon
30-Sep-2020 12:30 new  Message #4793590
Come on Jeff you can do better than that. There must be thousands more lol.


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