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CircusMaximus  Male  North Yorkshire
12-Sep-2020 08:35 Message #4792091
Most of the time they are just annoying.
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eurostar  Female  Merseyside
12-Sep-2020 08:36 Message #4792093
Sorry
Male
CircusMaximus  Male  North Yorkshire
12-Sep-2020 08:37 Message #4792095
It's ok it's not your fault.
Female
eurostar  Female  Merseyside
12-Sep-2020 08:39 Message #4792097
But it might have been so I apologise in case it was lol
Female
eurostar  Female  Merseyside
12-Sep-2020 08:41 Message #4792098
Ah just googled the word, not what I thought it meant.

I, m with ya on that, why can't they just accept personal responsibility for what they have done?
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persona_non_grata  Male  North London
12-Sep-2020 08:47 Message #4792100
An apologist is usually the epitome of the sanctimonious.
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terry  Male  West Yorkshire
12-Sep-2020 08:49 Message #4792101
I never thought of that....damn. That's given me something to discuss on the walk today.
Female
Minnie-the-Minx  Female  Hertfordshire
12-Sep-2020 08:52 Message #4792102
lol sounds like 50 % of the posts on here.
Male
persona_non_grata  Male  North London
12-Sep-2020 17:29 Message #4792134
Whenever social media posts a photo of household rubbish fly-tipped on a country lane you will always find a few of the apologists saying it's not the fly tippers fault but it's due to Local recycling facilities being too busy, closed at inappropriate times or that some now charge a fee.

Problems at the local tip do not turn decent honest people into scumbags - don't make excuses.
Female
wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd
12-Sep-2020 18:10 Message #4792139
The ones I feel for are those who hire a firm to clear stuff in good faith and then find that instead of it going to the tip its been dumped in a field somewhere.
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Jeff  Male  East Sussex
12-Sep-2020 18:57 Message #4792146
Every day I watch many YouTube videos of religious apologists, and find them very interesting. I also watch numerous videos countering them, especially showing where the apologists tell their followers falsehoods about science.

A near anagram of apologia is Paulogia (real name Paul Ens). He used to be a devout Young Earth Creationist (i.e. who say that the Earth is approx. 6,000 years old and who misrepresent evolution and ignore evidence), but he now produces many factual YouTube videos countering Christian apologists. (As do others such as Viced Rhino, Aron Ra, etc.)

I admire, but disagree with, some Christian apologists such as Mike Winger, William Lane Craig, Jay Smith, David Wood and Sam Shamoun, especially as the last 3, and atheist Apostate Prophet, face numerous death threats for their exposures of what is in the qur'an & hadith(s). I also admire the knowledge of some Islamic apologists such as Ahmed Deedat and Yasir Qadhi.
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tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire
12-Sep-2020 19:14 Message #4792147
People often get accused of being apologists if they stick up for something connected with a criminal, for instance...

For example.....everyone 'knows' that the person 'did it'.....The evidence is everywhere.....but they haven't gad the trial yet....

The 'innocent until proven guilty' should apply.....although, 'hang the b'strd' is shouted by many....Often including myself...

But anyone 'sticking up' for the proper justice....the court case etc....can often be accused of being an apologist....regarding all sorts.....murderers, rapists, paedophiles to name a few....
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Maglorian  Male  North Yorkshire
12-Sep-2020 21:58 Message #4792153
I'm an apologist and I don't give a monkeys what box you try and put me in. Furthermore, I don't care if there are undocumented immigrants in this country. I think it's a non issue. Without social security numbers, they're not getting the welfare people claim they're getting. The vast majority of them are normal people trying to live a better life.

This whole Brexit control our borders, deport-the-illegals bullshit, is just the one percent convincing the working poor to blame, a subject of the working poor for the fact that they're all poor, instead of realising they're all poor due to the vast income inequality and resource price inflation, in combination with wage stagnation.

The existence of another poor person, is not why people are poor, it's because the people who control everything, refuse to increase their wages. The existence of privileged people looking down on them, is the cancer of selfishness or ignorance. I apologise to my children, that selfishness exists in the corridors of power and how it affects humanity.
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tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire
12-Sep-2020 22:22 Message #4792154
maglorian says 'The vast majority of them are normal people trying to live a better life.

The vast majority on here are normal people trying to live a better life.....

Yet you despise us maglorian......

We don't fit in with what you want......so you totally despise us.....

It shows you for what you are maglorian....

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NoSaint  Female  Devon
12-Sep-2020 22:30 Message #4792155
.Maglorian, AvitoDauphine, Wandering4Fun, Witheflow, withgoodintent, to use just a few of your names, you cannot escape your neo liberal cabal by pretending to have socialist ideals and pretending to care about others and pretending to want to help the poor. You really nasty piece of work.
You mock council house tenants? You laugh at littered communities? You make racist comments? You make snide homophobic remarks? You hate seeing the poor being helped and attack every thread where caring people try to help others. The use of fake images, verbal insults to “non-agreers”, multi profiles including a female one with access to the “ladies” room.
The only contribution you have made to the forum is reviving all the excellent votes which float around whenever one of the abhorrent trolls makes an unwelcome appearance.


The sanctimonious Maglorian pretending he cares for anyone other than himself. How can he make racist and homophobic insults and say he cares about fairness. He is a despicable man/woman.
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NoSaint  Female  Devon
13-Sep-2020 07:48 Message #4792168
I agree wonderoushen as long as those who have hired someone else genuinely believe their rubbish will be taken to the tip. Many will be glad to offload it to a man with a van and neither caring about where it ends up.
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NoSaint  Female  Devon
13-Sep-2020 07:53 Message #4792169
Our local car park has three disabled spaces which are frequently used by young drivers who then run across the road for a takeaway coffee and bap from the bakers. Whenever it's complained about there are more people pointing out that some drivers have hidden disabilities so nobody should ever be accused of pinching the spaces. These apologists create an atmosphere which prevents action being taken against the immoral parkers and this harms the disabled who cannot find a place to park.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia
13-Sep-2020 08:05 Message #4792171
"I apologise to my children, that selfishness exists in the corridors of power and how it affects humanity."

I think you owe the rest of the world an apology for having offspring....
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tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire
13-Sep-2020 08:54 Message #4792174
Dumping rubbish is rife.....It's everywhere.....from small things....to masses of it....

It's not just a few who do it.....It's an epidemic...or pandemic...or demic....or something.....

The little buggers litter buggers are everywhere......

It often seems a case of......So long as I don't have it anymore, I couldn't care less......

From dumping fag ends in kerbs from car ashtrays.....to dangerous waste chemicals in laybys......and mattresses and old fridges along the way.......so long as they've palmed it off somewhere...then job done...

They should be killed.........put into bin bags......and dumped somewhere....
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd
13-Sep-2020 11:36 Message #4792208
I mostly agree with you NoSaint, except that I am one of the "walking wounded", but I also don't use disabled parking spaces, The only time I've ever used a disabled parking space was when taking a friend with a broken foot shopping, we didn't have a blue badge and were about to be challenged but when the people saw my friend in a wheelchair with her leg and foot strapped up, they were OK with us and agreed that it was a temporary and legitimate use of the space. The other reason people give for parking in disabled spaces, taxi ranks or just plain old lack of consideration seems to be use of the cash machine.
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex
13-Sep-2020 12:50 Message #4792214
'm an apologist and I don't give a monkeys what box you try and put me in. Furthermore, I don't care if there are undocumented immigrants in this country. I think it's a non issue. Without social security numbers, they're not getting the welfare people claim they're getting. The vast majority of them are normal people trying to live a better life.

This whole Brexit control our borders, deport-the-illegals bullshit, is just the one percent convincing the working poor to blame, a subject of the working poor for the fact that they're all poor, instead of realising they're all poor due to the vast income inequality and resource price inflation, in combination with wage stagnation.

The existence of another poor person, is not why people are poor, it's because the people who control everything, refuse to increase their wages. The existence of privileged people looking down on them, is the cancer of selfishness or ignorance. I apologise to my children, that selfishness exists in the corridors of power and how it affects humanity.
............................................................

Mags

I'm going to answer this because the Mags Posts are always an interesting challenge. The wealth gap has grown in recent years. And yes there is a growing monopoly on who has the wealth, too much wealth, resulting in too much influence in the world generally, and on government decisions and policy, which does not take into account a fair deal for workers. But we live in a capitalist society, and that's how it works. No doubt it will come to a head at some stage, and a populous revolution will result in the system being brought down.

Illegal immigrants step off the boat and are taken to hotels, given dental treatment, health checks, really quite a lot of stuff that we don't get, for free. That is why they come here. And the low chance of being sent back. Even if they are sent back, they return, I read somewhere one had been here 7 times already and been sent back. They can't work here legally, and end up in sweat shops or worse, it really should stop. It's not fair on the legal ones waiting their turn. And they could be bringing covid with them.
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fosy  Male  Leicestershire
13-Sep-2020 22:11 Message #4792241
" I apologise to my children"

they let you breed ???
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fosy  Male  Leicestershire
13-Sep-2020 22:15 Message #4792242
"The ones I feel for are those who hire a firm to clear stuff in good faith and then find that instead of it going to the tip its been dumped in a field somewhere."

i dont, you only have to ask to see their valid operators license which they should always be able to produce, if you dont you can only blame yourself....
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Maglorian  Male  North Yorkshire
13-Sep-2020 23:30 Message #4792249
Thank you for the adult and intellectual response Gilpin. Unlike the odd hate driven responses from the chubby selfish Tory and the 0ne percent cheer leader from Leicestershire.

I could tune my guitar and key into G#, singing a ditty about why go to such lengths and risk ones life. To leave ones home land and charter such risk and letting go of ones past life and family. But we know all on this Island have relatives that did the same. Way way back of course. Unless they derive from Royalty and it's hangers on. You make an economic argument for the cost of it. Yet we see no problem when we condone the bombing of their homelands, for the love of oil and control. All in tax payers money. Plus bailing out the corporations and giving half price food coupons to the comfortable elders.

You hi-light the sheer persistence (7 times sent back). Don't we applaud and reward persistence in school or work? Hats off to the feller for trying. Desperation and guts is why we as a species have thrived.

To conclude. I agree with your first paragraph. The system is corrupt and it's creaking and ready for change. Maybe Brexit will be the catalyst to open this. As you stated:

" No doubt it will come to a head at some stage, and a populous revolution will result in the system being brought down."

It wont go easy. There's going to be an awful lot of useful idiots, brainwashed into defending it's curse.
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Maglorian  Male  North Yorkshire
13-Sep-2020 23:39 Message #4792251
tumbled says "The vast majority on here are normal people trying to live a better life....."

I agree! Hats off to them. But what drove you to assume i despise? You must have had a few too many sherbets when typing that tumble. And who is "US?" & "WE?" You make it sound like some group think. Are you the spokesman for the right wing nuts on here? Or just revealing Grandiosity?

I love you tumbles. It's not your fault x

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