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I'm not hard of hearing but...

My tv is at volume 50 plus !

Topaz53  Female  Northamptonshire
19-May-2020 10:27 Message #4780225
Since 6am this morning, my neighbour upstairs has been playing his radio at full volume, therefore when I get up, my tv eventually creeps up to at least 50, even then I can hear the background noise !

Usually, during the week he is at work (part-time) and isn't home until about 4.30, so it isn't a problem.
He has a Wednesday and all weekend off.

It's either loud music or if sports is on. He swears or shouts at the tv and if there is a goal or other score he yells at the top of his voice THEN slow claps !!

I suffer from insomnia and on a good night don't fall asleep until the early hours and try in stay in bed until at least 8am.

I can only assume that since last week he has had to take off time for accrued holidays and this will be temporary.

I feel I have to go out by midday and not return until late afternoon for the sake of my sanity or avoid being arrested .

I hate having the tv so loud because that is attributing to my anxieties.

It's no good putting subtitles on because then I can hear his background beat.
wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd
19-May-2020 10:42 Message #4780226
I assume you've asked him to turn it down, have you asked him down to your flat so as he can hear how loud it is in your place, he may not realise. If he's uncooperative can whoever manages the building do something? I do get how horrible it is to live like this, there are times when I don't feel able to use my garden at all because of the music from the people over the hedge, espeically when theres two competing sound systems going, I can't have the back door open either and I can hear them at the front of the house and even from over the road. Trouble is the police can do nothing, the council can but at the moment they can only offer advice because of lock down, they do have recording equipment so as they can record the noise levels coming from upstairs, but theres often a long wait for this equipment.

Some people just don't give a sh1t about how much noise they make and how it effects others, its even worse in an owner occupier situation because theres so little anyone can do, unlike a housing association, rented or council.

The only other thing I can suggest is noise cancelling headphones and headphones that you use with the TV, its not ideal by a long shot and wearing headphones when you've got anxiety can make it worse.
tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire
19-May-2020 11:32 Message #4780235
Noisy neighbours can be one of the biggest pains.....Noise when you don't want it.....

I often disappear into my own world.....earphones in.....even ear defenders as well.....the headset ones from places like B and Q..

I then sometimes put background noise waves..the sea...plane noise....gentle train journey....whilst I read books...oblivious to the outside world.....

If I'm watching stuff on youtube for instance....or listening to things.....bliss

There's something about your own noise....different to someone else's noise......You're in charge of your own....Theirs is a pain...

I try not to blast stuff out that others can hear.....It can become a bit tit for tat....
Minnie-the-Minx  Female  Hertfordshire
19-May-2020 11:43 Message #4780236
no advice, I would have said what wh says.

I do feel for you, I have had to endure 4 years of having the builder from drilling, bishing and bashing all day long at weekends. It's the ginormous thumps every time that he drops something on the ground that triggers me the most, not to mention the continuous loud cracks from the nail gun. I don't get a moment to relax.
JustLyn  Female  Cheshire
19-May-2020 12:24 Message #4780238
I would have said try talking to him first as WH suggests, but maybe you have met him, know if he seems reasonable?

he might not be aware of the problem. You could record it and play it to him in a non wind up way, but then some can interpret such a move as a threat.

I had new neighbours who gave me 2 days notice to rip out a shared 50 year old hedge to install a 6' high fence to protect their kids from thorns. I went round (they had been in my house politely to see their hand made conservatory) to politely explain that I needed more time to think and decide and that a 6' fence would prevent me from maintaining the hedge with my trimmer. It involves me getting lacerated on thorns reaching across. But the verbal abuse was horrendous, she screamed and shouted at me and I was going faint and had to hang on the their wall. I have never had problems with neighbours but we haven't spoken since.

Anyway, another possible solution, if your TV has blue tooth, is to buy some decent noise cancelling headphones. You shouldn't have to do it, but it could give you some respite.

The next step would be to record and report to environmental health with your council. If you look on their website there will be advice.
Victoriana11  Female  Buckinghamshire
19-May-2020 17:12 Message #4780251
ask him in for a drink...... get him thoroughly sploshed, when he has a job standing, then turn up the volume of everything in your home.
leogirl  Female  Essex
19-May-2020 18:00 Message #4780255

Could it be that your neighbour is hard of hearing? When my daughter comes and visit she often comments of me having the t.v. on a bit loud. . although I need the subtitles to follow and understand any programme on T.V. I never had any complains from neighbours

My neighbours did take a dislike to the green privet hedge and suggested a 6 wood wooden fence- a continuation from the fence in the backgarden. I was no too keen as my back room large window would then look out on a 6 foot wooden fence from a distance of 1,5 meter. The privet hedge is neat and green and I like to see nature and the birds ! Neighbours were accusing me of all sorts of things in an idiotic letter starting " without prejudice ". We have not spoken since.

luckily I have some friendly young neighbours on the right side of me and opposite
NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire
19-May-2020 22:27 Message #4780277
Noisy neighbours can sometimes be drug users?
Main signs for drug use, noisy and not working.
Also does he have visitors that look very skinny?
Is he very skinny?

Lets just hope, it is just while he is off work.
Sea  Female  Essex
19-May-2020 23:18 Message #4780283
So glad I don't have noisy neighbours. My volume is about 15 -20 but I never have TV on in the daytime, in fact with the evenings so much lighter now it goes on later and later and nearer 8pm. I listen to the radio for about half hour whilst having breakfast, unless warm enough to sit outside. Maybe invest in some ear plugs or go for a walk?
Topaz53  Female  Northamptonshire
20-May-2020 10:04 Message #4780304
So far this morning it is bliss...
He's gone out shopping so at least that'll be an hour's peace.

WH. both flats are owned so no one to complain to unfortunately.

He's been upstairs for about 12 years, he's not deaf, just very ignorant.
I've tried reasoning with him in the past and it goes in one ear and out again.
He doesn't see anything wrong with it.
He even leaves it on for the cat when he goes to work !!

My neighbours who lived in the same courtyard used to ask politely but it got turned down and then up again!!
They've even gone up there , sworn at him in Polish, you name it..they tried everything.
Sadly they've now moved because he played it at a reasonable level when they were about., which proves really that he can be considerate.

There's no way I could put any sort of headphones on, nor should I have to...
It would probably trigger a panic
attack off.

Once the new neighbours move in and he continues with his inconsiderate ways, they may have a word, and I can get some respite, that way it won't look as if it's a personal issue.
wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd
20-May-2020 10:16 Message #4780306
You can complain to the council, who do have powers, its a slow old process, but they do have the power to confiscate his noise making equipment if he repeatedly breaches any orders made against him. I understand about headphones I'm the same. If none of this works or you don't want to go through the whole process with the council then you have two options, both of which are a bit drastic, move, or sound proof your ceilings or maybe the space between his floor and your ceilings.

I know understand that you both own the flats you live in, but who's responsible for maintainance of common things like the roof, sewers, the fabric of the building, such as outside walls, damp proofing etc. It could be worth having a good read through your deeds to see who is responsible and if theres an avenue through those for making him stop. The other thing you could try is speaking to your MP or a solicitor.
Topaz53  Female  Northamptonshire
21-May-2020 10:43 Message #4780384
morning WH.
How would I soundproof my ceiling?
I live in a ground floor flat and it has Just been totally refurbished and I don't see why I should pay out any more money.
It wouldn't make any difference as the problem is only when he's not working or when he has his door and Windows open and sits at the top of his stairs....listening to music or cheering at sports.

I'm aware of my deeds and
the building is covered jointly as its under a management company, which we both pay for and I deal with as Secretary of the company .There are no communal areas. Basically if the guttering was blocked we both pay, but I had a serious leak years ago as the cowboy builder didn't connect the sewerage pipe and it went under the floor, the insurance covered it. All is covered except wear and tear.

The sewers are shared by the hairdressers and a cafe and they get blocked at least once a year through fat or hair...yuk
but that's their responsibility as they cause it.

I have considered moving as I'm hoping to move in with my partner when all this is over, he's waiting to sell one of his properties in Sutton first and I will either rent or sell here.
At the moment I'd rent as the house will be a cash purchase.

Also it would be very difficult to record his music as there is other background music going on.

This morning he was using a CARPET SWEEPER over laminate flooring at 6.45
Fortunately it does go quieter after 4.
So I'll just continue clearing off for the day for now, not much else I can do for now, but thanks all for your advice.
persona_non_grata  Male  North London
21-May-2020 11:02 Message #4780386
I lived in a ground floor flat for a while and I'm not sure there is much you can do if you have a noisy occupant above. He could insulate his floor but you cannot easily insulate a ceiling. Your neighbour seems excessively noisy but even when they are just hoovering, talking loudly, playing music or even walking around in shoes, in a fairly average way, it can still be annoying.
Once you start feeling annoyed every sound does become more noticeable.
tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire
21-May-2020 11:15 Message #4780388
If having a word hasn't worked...and things like perhaps when the music is loud...getting him to come to your flat with the volume still as it he can see and hear for himself....

It sounds though things like that won't work.....

You may have to compromise a bit Topaz....or a lot......You shouldn't have to.....but sometimes things won't go away....

I used to find it a lot with shift work......trying to sleep in the day when on nights......going to bed early at night when on days etc....

I couldn't really expect the world to stop for I started using the earplugs.....Sometimes uncomfortable especially to begin with....but there are different types.....foam...or jell type ones......Then the earphones when listening to things....

They may take a bit of getting used to.....but they may help....You mentioned issues with using them....but they may end up a godsend.....Going out all the time will probably get to you as much as the noise.....You should be going out when you want....not when you're forced...

I even thought of noise proofing my ceiling......with various methods......It's not easy...due to the way noise travels etc.....I even read somewhere about using egg boxes on the ceiling.....You'd have to eat a lot of eggs though....

wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd
21-May-2020 19:02 Message #4780434
Topaz, my suggestion about sound proofing would be expensive as the ceiling would have to come down so sound proofing material could be fitted, but if he's got all his doors and windows open then it would probably be pointless. But it might be worth contacting the management company just to see if they can help in any way. As I've said I've lived with very noisy neighbours before and it is horrible, truely horrible, like some kind of torture, you have no control over what you hear and when you hear it, in our case the sound was coming throught the pipes, walls, floor and everywhere. The sound recording equipment the council have is specialist and would pick up what you hear, they know to discount traffic noise and stuff like that, but if they can hear his tv or music at a certain level for a long time then they can use it and do something. As I say its not easy when its owner occupier as opposed to tennants and I think its really unfair, but thats the way it is and as you can't change him the only options left are the things you do have control over.
Topaz53  Female  Northamptonshire
23-May-2020 19:47 Message #4780749
Hi WH.
Just to clarify one point...WE are the management company.
It's a dormant company that is formed by a leasehold owner to manage , insure and maintain and repair the premises as and when required.
So can't have a word with them as its me and owner above.
Goodgeezer  Male  West Yorkshire
25-May-2020 01:15 Message #4780985
Up to 50 plus??? I thought the top volume was 11.
Topaz53  Female  Northamptonshire
26-May-2020 05:56 Message #4781128
My tv goes up to volume 63.
My neighbour has been playing his radio on loud since 5 am so I'm up and watching tv and tried volume. I have been up since then as he's refusing to answer his door so I can ask him to turn it down.
FirmButFair-TrollPatrol  Male  North Yorkshire
26-May-2020 10:46 Message #4781142
I have one tv on 11 and another on 43 and they are both producing the same volume.
wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd
26-May-2020 10:49 Message #4781146
Topaz you have more patience than me, I'd take an axe to the door and then to his noise making equipment. I'd be seriously thinking of moving house, I really would, sometime the neighbours here make me want to move to a quieter place because theres a couple of them that play loud music.

If it happens again you could always phone the police and say theres no answer from the upstairs flat and you're concerned for the wellbeing of the occupant and the police could use a battering ram to open the door, they might enjoy doing that?
Topaz53  Female  Northamptonshire
26-May-2020 18:53 Message #4781184

It's taken me ALL day to calm down and yes at 5.30am I wanted
to rip his head off ! So not that patient unfortunately, but then I was exhausted.

He came home just after 4pm and I asked him if he'd started work early today as I heard very loud music and couldn't get an answer when I knocked on his door.
I said I was concerned that he may have had an accident and wasn't able to open the door.

Apparently he started work at 6am today instead of 8 am, so he was out by 5.30, so I must have just missed him.

I told him the music was very loud and could he please turn it down in future. ( he'd ACTUALLY gone off to work and left it on)
He said yes and I thanked him.
I then saw him going into the next door neighbour, who is his
"lady friend", on return he went up his stairs and blasted out Irish folks songs.
Fortunately he bored of that after 5 mins and normal service has been resumed.

I will be moving and renting this out, but at the moment everything depends on selling another property in Sussex first.
May take some time :/
wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd
26-May-2020 18:57 Message #4781186
Apparently theres lots of people desperate to move, especially away from the cities, so your Sussex property may shift quite quickly. Where are you planing on moving too? Are you going to another area or same area different house? Sorry been watching to many repeats of Location, Location, Location, I think I could do Phil and Kirsties job now.
Minnie-the-Minx  Female  Hertfordshire
27-May-2020 10:04 Message #4781237
That kind of noise is crazy making. Though I think we are a little more tolerant here than they are in many countries.
I was staying with friends in Israel once and waiting on the doorstep for friends to come home. The bloke in the first floor flat opposite had loud music blaring night and day and another neighbour finally snapped. He came out of his apartment and there was a high speed exchange in arabic and the noise continued. The irate neighbour disappeared up the road for a few minutes and returned carrying a large boulder, which he lobbed through the open upstairs window. There was a resounding crash from inside and then complete silence. Direct hit. A few minutes later, the police arrived and carted off the noise maker. If that had happened here, it would have been the stone thrower who got into trouble. Anyway, the rest of our two week stay was blissfully peaceful. :D
Maybe you should hone your stone throwing skills, Topaz. ;)
terry  Male  West Yorkshire
27-May-2020 10:20 Message #4781243
I come from the other side of the debate, apparently I used to make a lot of noise. After getting rid of my tv and radio's it seems I was still too noisy, so I have moved. Personally, in your situation I'd keep calling the police and hassling the council.

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