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Sir Nick Clegg. I had no idea Nick Clegg had been knighted.

Your thoughts please ?

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Michaelt  Male  Devon
16-May-2020 11:14 Message #4779881
I only discovered today, 16/5th, and quite by chance, that the former leader of the Lib-Dems, Nick Clegg, had been knighted. My only excuse/reason for not knowing this could be that I dont watch much TV anymore since my lovely wife died from bowel cancer in 2014.

I regard the honours system as antiquated, and a hallmark of our class system, just like our Royal Family....

I would be interested in reading your comprehensive view or views please ladies and gentlemen....

Thank you.
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Colonel_Blink  Male  Buckinghamshire
16-May-2020 11:37 Message #4779882
It's rather meaningless except for those receiving the knighthood. It is very antiquated. Who would have thought we would have a knighted gentleman as Labour leader?
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire
16-May-2020 11:47 Message #4779884
I like and voted for Nick Clegg and he was in the unfortunate position of being blamed for things he had no control over, yet had to take the blame for the mistakes of the coalition where he was, after all, just a junior leader.

He couldn't really turn down the opportunity to influence under the circumstances, but then by doing so was putting his head in the political noose.

His book Political Divide was very enlightening to personalities he was trying to deal with, especially the antics of George Osborne and his influence over David Cameron who seemed naive to Osborne's manipulations.

Clegg deserved a medal for sticking it out.

I expect many people, once again, will judge him on the political media and what was published at the time.

Here's a few quotes I found:

We need to reach out to small 'l' liberal voters who have a modern outlook on life, who want a party that is hard-headed on the economy - more credible on the economy than Labour - but more socially progressive and fairer than the Conservatives.

We need to teach our kids, because there is such a celebrity culture at the moment, that however rich you are, however famous you are, however glamorous you are, everyone has to live by the same rules.

One thing I've very quickly learned is that if you wake up every morning worrying about what's in the press, you would go completely and utterly potty.

What I hope is in five years' time, I can go to the British people in the election and say: Lots of you doubted that coalition politics worked, but it has worked.

Politics is a highly tribal business.

I am quite strict as a dad but I don't want to be censorious.

Grown-up politicians talk to each other across party lines. Over the last few weeks I have had lengthy conversations with Ed Miliband, David Miliband, with Tony Blair, with Peter Mandelson... talking about Europe, talking about political reform.

Joining the Liberal Party was a no-brainer for me... And when you are a young man, you don't get a calculator out saying, 'Am I going to get to power?' You get propelled forward by idealism.


The main thing I like about him is, like Corbyn, there is a down to Earth sincerity about him but you'd have to read his book to understand how difficult it was for him to actually influence anything with the underhand dealings with Cameron and Osborne...and Gove.
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Colonel_Blink  Male  Buckinghamshire
16-May-2020 12:02 Message #4779885
Phew! For a moment I thought you had written a post and forgotten to mention Corbyn lol.
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tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire
16-May-2020 12:02 Message #4779886
I don't know what it means nowadays....or anydays really......Often goes by unnoticed......I've never met a 'Sir'.....Certainly don't remember meeting one anyway.....Although I've had to call some people 'Sir' through life.....

A couple of quotes from a 'Sir':-

“I don't drink. Never taken a drug in my life ever. In fact from a newspaper point of view I'm very boring. I don't do anything. I don't drink no booze, no drugs, no kinky carryings on, don't go to brothels.”

“I've never done anybody any harm in my entire life. No need to chase girls, I've thousands of them on Top Of The Pops, thousands on Radio One.”


Sir Jimmy Saville...

Just about sums it up......
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Maglorian  Male  North Yorkshire
16-May-2020 12:06 Message #4779889
Enormous debate Michael. Jobs for the boys runs right through society. The system is corrupt and many of the plebs would rather play bingo, than question the wrong.

All I hope is that my descendants will be able to look back at these mad days and realise that they marked the end of the class system in this country. Whereby the so-called aristocracy and their bourgeoisie (middle class) hangers on, still playing the Eton Wall Game (probably spaffing against it like BoZo) all became ’commoners’ just like they have the audacity to call us.
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NoSaint  Female  Devon
16-May-2020 12:14 Message #4779891
I disagree. .Maglorian, AvitoDauphine, Wandering4Fun, Witheflow, withgoodintent, to use just a few of your names, you cannot escape your neo liberal cabal by pretending to have socialist ideals and pretending to care about others and pretending to want to help the poor. You really nasty piece of work.
You mock council house tenants? You laugh at littered communities? You make racist comments? You make snide homophobic remarks? You hate seeing the poor being helped and attack every thread where caring people try to help others. The use of fake images, verbal insults to “non-agreers”, multi profiles including a female one with access to the “ladies” room.
The only contribution you have made to the forum is reviving all the excellent votes which float around whenever one of the abhorrent trolls makes an unwelcome appearance.


I see nothing wrong with Sir Keir and I didnt see his election as a job for the boys. I certainly don't see Labour voters or any other voters as plebs. You really do talk a lot of crap.
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NoSaint  Female  Devon
16-May-2020 12:14 Message #4779892
I disagree. .Maglorian, AvitoDauphine, Wandering4Fun, Witheflow, withgoodintent, to use just a few of your names, you cannot escape your neo liberal cabal by pretending to have socialist ideals and pretending to care about others and pretending to want to help the poor. You really nasty piece of work.
You mock council house tenants? You laugh at littered communities? You make racist comments? You make snide homophobic remarks? You hate seeing the poor being helped and attack every thread where caring people try to help others. The use of fake images, verbal insults to “non-agreers”, multi profiles including a female one with access to the “ladies” room.
The only contribution you have made to the forum is reviving all the excellent votes which float around whenever one of the abhorrent trolls makes an unwelcome appearance.


I see nothing wrong with Sir Keir and I didnt see his election as a job for the boys. I certainly don't see Labour voters or any other voters as plebs. You really do talk a lot of crap.
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Michaelt  Male  Devon
16-May-2020 14:12 Message #4779900
JustLyn , I could not agree more on all political points about Nick Clegg.
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Michaelt  Male  Devon
16-May-2020 14:14 Message #4779901
Colonel_Blink, The new Labour leader is another Blair, right wing.
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LadyVera  Female  Cumbria
16-May-2020 14:15 Message #4779902
I like Nick Clegg and I like Keir Starmer but to be knighted?
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Michaelt  Male  Devon
16-May-2020 14:16 Message #4779903
Colonel_Blink ,Your ability to say nothing worthwhile reading is getting to be a habit. You should join the Tories.
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Michaelt  Male  Devon
16-May-2020 14:20 Message #4779904
Maglorian, "Yup". I could'nt agree more on all points...
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire
16-May-2020 14:20 Message #4779905
1. I like the tradition of the House of Lords and I'd vote to keep it, but not for things like Cameron being able to choose his hairdresser which, unless she did something I am unaware of, is clearly jobs for the boys. I'd be embarrassed to show my face if I had been her.

2. On the other hand, I think there are many learned people who deserve to have a position through dedication or good achievement, and I think if they have experienced something and gone on to show good judgement in an area, I like the way they can challenge the government.

I was very unhappy about the CeO of Next and what's his name who wrote Cats musical, specially flying in to have a vote on something they knew little about such as cutting benefits to the disabled. I've never bought anything from Next since, not that they'll notice.

I don't think tribal in that Eton people never know about poverty. I'm not comfortable that buying into an education should help, but then unless everyone is forced into state education, that didn't work for me either.

In my view it is about discovering personalities and somehow weeding out those who are clever academically, but don't feel what life is like for others and make any effort to improve equality, but I think it is unrealistic to always have everything exactly equal.

I don't play golf, but don't they have a handicap system so people can play together who have different abilities?

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Michaelt  Male  Devon
16-May-2020 14:22 Message #4779906
NoSaint , I hate to say this, but speaking about talking a load of crap mmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire
16-May-2020 14:51 Message #4779908
Enormous debate Michael. Jobs for the boys runs right through society. The system is corrupt and many of the plebs would rather play bingo, than question the wrong.

All I hope is that my descendants will be able to look back at these mad days and realise that they marked the end of the class system in this country. Whereby the so-called aristocracy and their bourgeoisie (middle class) hangers on, still playing the Eton Wall Game (probably spaffing against it like BoZo) all became ’commoners’ just like they have the audacity to call us.


So if jobs for the boys runs through society, should we have plebs who prefer BIngo to learning making important decisions on equal terms?

We do have people breaking through like Angela Rayner alongside or opposition to Etonians.

I've often wondered if we should have to do a course before we vote but that brings other complications as some vote for a Legs 11 rather than the politics (I imagine). Oddly enough, the only person I knew who enjoyed an evening of Bingo was a lovely bourgeoise lady, sadly now in a £1000 a week nursing home with dementia. Good job she has the money!
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LadyVera  Female  Cumbria
16-May-2020 15:00 Message #4779909
Any political thread attracts a lot of dross. It makes it very difficult to put across any point of view in a sensible way.
Talk of jobs for boys, Eton and plebs adds nothing to any conversation. Your posts are good as always JustLyn.
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SQL  Male  Devon
16-May-2020 15:20 Message #4779912
Michaelt - 16-May-2020 14:14

Colonel_Blink, The new Labour leader is another Blair, right wing.

Is that a matter of opinion or fact, if the latter then please provide source.

SQL
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SQL  Male  Devon
16-May-2020 15:22 Message #4779914
Michaelt - 16-May-2020 14:16

Colonel_Blink ,Your ability to say nothing worthwhile reading is getting to be a habit. You should join the Tories.

That's an extremely apt phrase to apply to yourself actually, it is so accurate concerning your output.

SQL
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia
16-May-2020 15:25 Message #4779917
I agree with michael, maglorian and justlynn.
Interesting news today is that Corbyn's brother who is called Piers and is even more bitter, twisted and deluded than Jezza has been arrested at some non-social distancing protest.
What did Mr & Mrs Corbyn do to deserve two sons like that?..... lol
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Michaelt  Male  Devon
16-May-2020 15:33 Message #4779918
SQL, Well someone had to say that on this site. I wouldnt bother to write on here if I followed that trend.
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Michaelt  Male  Devon
16-May-2020 15:46 Message #4779919
SQL, Find it yourself, like I did.
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Kallone_1  Female  Devon
16-May-2020 16:39 Message #4779930
Sir or Lord or whatever. Who cares these days. As a low income and disabled person I have been satisfied with benefits and treatments I have received these past years and I have met doctors, surgeons and specialists of all types. Some posh and some not. Nobody appears interested in who has a title just how they do their work.
I didn't expect a Sir to be leading the Labour Party.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire
16-May-2020 16:51 Message #4779932
Col Blink,

I voted your comment about me mentioning Corbyn excellent :-P
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire
16-May-2020 16:53 Message #4779933
Piers is nothing like Corbyn, I often wondered if they get on or have anything in common.

People in families are not representative of each other. Crikey, my sister voted for Faberge.

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