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Behavioural changes due to virus

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Colonel_Blink  Male  Buckinghamshire 14-Mar-2020 13:57 Message #4772638
The most obvious one is the crowds of shoppers grabbing every available toilet roll and hand cleanser.
Andromeda  Female  Berkshire 14-Mar-2020 14:14 Message #4772642
A not so public reaction has been the numerous acts of kindness and concern for the more vulnerable.
NoSaint  Female  Devon 14-Mar-2020 15:28 Message #4772645
People have stopped going to places where lots of others are gathering or are touching handles and other objects. My bank usually very busy on a Saturday morning was completely empty and the cafe nearby was the same. Both said it was people staying away due to fear of the Coronavirus.
Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 14-Mar-2020 16:29 Message #4772656
Hospitals. I think they are heroes. A friend had an appointment 2 weeks ago, she said you wouldn't think there was a virus problem at all, except for the security and general health checks at the entrance. They are role models.
wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 14-Mar-2020 18:52 Message #4772666
I wonder if more people will end up working from home more often after we get past this virus, only going to the office a couple of days a week and travelling less, using video conferencing more? It would be good for the planet if we did.
BOYDEL  Male  Surrey 14-Mar-2020 19:03 Message #4772668
That would be a good outcome - though many bosses are still wedded to the idea of bums on seats.

If most office workers ended up working from home for most of the time - there would be the potential for those workers to relocate to cheapest parts of UK - instead of many being crammed in to London/SE.

Longer term the potential downside is company bosses concluding that those functions could be offshored altogether - DWP I believe did offshore most of their IT function to India for a time (not sure if it has now been brought back inhouse) but they did generate an 80% wage saving.
Topaz53  Female  Northamptonshire 14-Mar-2020 20:05 Message #4772671

Definite behavioural changes going on.

I can see hostilities building up and its concerning.
Antisocial behaviour in supermarkets... and a very obvious
"Every man for himself " mentality.

A friend has just sent me a video of a shop selling a small hand sanitizer marked at £10

A week ago I thought the world's gone I know it has and its dam scarey..

Anxieties are mounting and everywhere just seems surreal and like I'm in some weird dream at the moment.
Maglorian  Male  North Yorkshire 14-Mar-2020 21:36 Message #4772674
Behavioural change is classic Pavlovian theory & learning procedure, that involves pairing a stimulus with a conditioned response. People are manipulated too easily. And reactiveness is a product of being so. Anger always surfaces itself as a corrective.
Yesterday the World Health Organisation advised countries to track and test every case of coronavirus, and their director general said "Not testing alone. Not contact tracing alone. Not quarantine alone. Not social distancing alone. Do it all", which obviously contradicts the Tory government strategy of only testing the most serious cases, and deliberately letting the virus spread through the population.

Scores of organisations, from care homes to sports governing bodies, from large corporations to small independent businesses, defied the Tory government non-response to bring in coronavirus containment measures of their own.

Even the Daily Mail sent out containment advice to their hacks that went further than the government position (while a load of those very same hacks were attacking members of the public and scientists alike for daring to question the Tory inaction).

Daily Mail hacks and a significant number of other mainstream media propagandists spent the day directing hate and vitriol at anyone who dared question the Tory government, or to ask for the actual scientific evidence behind their uniquely lackadaisical Covid-19 response.

Yesterday was the day when stuff like raising questions, discussing practicalities, or asking for scientific evidence was declared 'immoral' by the pro-government commentariat.

Then late last night the Tories announced a partial change in direction. They're now going to eventually ban the large events (which have pretty much all voluntarily shut themselves down anyway), and they'll be bringing new powers to arrest and detain suspected virus carriers.

Today the exact same people who spent yesterday wailing and howling that it's disgusting and evil to question the outlier Tory response to the crisis will be whooping and celebrating the Tories' partial change in direction towards the containment approach almost all other countries have adopted.

They'll portray the containment measures they derided as 'irresponsible fear-mongering' yesterday as 'common sense' today.

By behaving in this extraordinary manner they're proving beyond doubt that significant swathes of the mainstream media exist purely to propagandise on behalf of the Tory government and the elitist establishment class, even in matters of life and death.

They'll switch from one narrative to the exact polar opposite on any number of issues - from containment of deadly pandemics to investment economics - purely based on the changing Tory government position. And they expect us, the general public, to be too stupid to even realise what they're doing.
Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 14-Mar-2020 21:55 Message #4772675
Well Mags I know you lefties don't like the idea of the general public thinking for themselves, but would you believe it, they've done exactly that.
If the government brought in draconian measures, buffoons like you would be the first ones screaming about your civil liberties.
Keep washing your hands numpty....
NoSaint  Female  Devon 14-Mar-2020 22:37 Message #4772679
You’ve got the measure of Maglorian but it’s a shame because another promising thread is completely ruined by his political diatribe.
fosy  Male  Leicestershire 14-Mar-2020 22:39 Message #4772681
pml @ hiero...

so to try and score cheap political points MagloriaGood2BWitheflowinggoodintentWandering4funAvitoDauphine et al tries to blame the tories, whilst ignoring the excellent input and advice given by one of the worlds most eminent and universally respected virologists, the chief medical officer prof. chris whitty.
we are extremely lucky to have such brilliant health professionals looking out for us...but of course a troll will only try to lay blame at the feet of the tories.

after all, with the massacre of the labour party, and brexit to go through, these political trolls have nothing else left except to spout playground venom.
bless em, their tiny brains are now little more than a mush...not that there was much there in the first place !!!
NoSaint  Female  Devon 14-Mar-2020 22:41 Message #4772682
. wonderoushen Female Gwynedd 14-Mar-2020 18:52 new Message #4772666
I wonder if more people will end up working from home more often after we get past this virus, only going to the office a couple of days a week and travelling less, using video conferencing more? It would be good for the planet if we did.

I have several friends who have been asked to work from home for a couple of weeks. Modern technology makes it much easier.
Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 14-Mar-2020 22:55 Message #4772683
My worry is how much longer Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance are willing to put up with the intense pressure they must be under.
These men, and the team behind them, are being accused of wantonly killing people in some sort of quest to be right. Their ethics and motives are being questioned, these people are not elected politicians like Boris Johnson and I don't believe they are on a power trip. They have been thrust into the middle of a hellish situation purely by circumstance.
The idea that they, in fact anybody, is somehow immune from this virus and it's us poor people who will take the hit is complete nonsense - it's unique I suppose that it doesn't matter how rich, famous or privileged you are, unless you lock yourself away for the next 6 months in a sealed room you are likely to be affected.
Of course they are not the only "experts" in the world but I think we need to be careful what we wish for...
tsunamiwarrior  Male  Hertfordshire 14-Mar-2020 23:19 Message #4772685
A not so public reaction has been the numerous acts of kindness and concern for the more vulnerable.

I’ve very aware of that Andromeda. Our night shelter for the homeless has been closed due to the virus as so many of our clients are vulnerable but everyone who would have used the shelter has been placed elsewhere and a lot of that is due to others putting themselves out to help.

HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 15-Mar-2020 07:53 Message #4772698
I’ve very aware of that Andromeda. Our night shelter for the homeless has been closed due to the virus as so many of our clients are vulnerable but everyone who would have used the shelter has been placed elsewhere and a lot of that is due to others putting themselves out to help.

Good man. For every 100 acts of kindness the media will always print the one act of selfishness they manage to sensationalise.
persona_non_grata  Male  North London 15-Mar-2020 09:09 Message #4772704
I’ve seen a lot of behavioural changes. So many shoppers wiping trolley handles or wearing gloves and you can see people cringe when handed change in a shop.
On Saturday I sat outside a coffee shop and about half of those entering pushed the door open with their elbow or arm rather than touch the door handle. Four people came out who had obviously met for the first time in the coffee shop and as they parted one man reached out to shake the other man’s hand at which the other man almost fell over as he jumped back. It looked an uncomfortable exchange and the two accompanying women deciding to touch elbows seemed very strange but maybe this will all become the norm.
JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 15-Mar-2020 09:16 Message #4772706
Here come the trolls again, sniping at perfectly interesting posts and name calling....then the typical Tinkerbelle excellent (s).
twinkle2  Female  Hertfordshire 15-Mar-2020 09:35 Message #4772715
Gilpin, that's interesting as when my friend went for her operation last week she said there was no checks at all and the only thing she saw was a piece of paper asking if people had been to any of the countries on the list and she said she almost didn't see it.
Neros1954  Male  Devon 15-Mar-2020 10:23 Message #4772726
Good posts from Andromeda and tsunamiwarrior pointing out all the good deeds we are seeing. I’ve already had neighbours check if I need anything and I know this is happening all over town. Delivery drivers are going out of their way to be helpful too.
Minnie-the-Minx  Female  Hertfordshire 15-Mar-2020 13:11 Message #4772751
Interestingly, I get the impression that the Dunkirk spirit is already kicking in and people are actually speaking to each other more. Admittedly, I have only been visiting the shops when they are quiet, but I thought that I detected almost an air of joviality in Sainsbugs yesterday. Maybe it is a nervousness thing.
Greencare  Female  Berkshire 15-Mar-2020 16:02 Message #4772772
I’ve noticed the same Minnie. In our local shops everyone appears to be talking to each other about Coronavirus in the same way we all talk about the weather when it is extreme.
Minnie-the-Minx  Female  Hertfordshire 15-Mar-2020 18:12 Message #4772777
Well, I've decided to self isolate. I've got the sniffles and I've been coughing. The coughing could be my asthma, but the sniffles are suspicious. It's probably nothing, but I couldn't live with myself if I kill someone.
wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 15-Mar-2020 18:24 Message #4772780
Could you be getting early hayfever Minnie? I find tree pollen sets mine off and a lot of the hawthorns and willows have started to flower too. Wishing you well.
Minnie-the-Minx  Female  Hertfordshire 15-Mar-2020 18:41 Message #4772784
Not sure, wh. Temperature is normal but I feel a bit off. It won't do any harm to stay away from other people for a couple of days at least and see if a cold develops. I doubt that it is any more than that.
Aely  Female  Hampshire 15-Mar-2020 20:28 Message #4772798
I felt a bit crook a couple of days ago so I checked my temperature. It was 96.8F. No wonder I was feeling one degree under!. I took myself out for a brisk hobble up the road and back to get the old ticker ticking faster and the blood flowing. Too much sitting around isn't good for me. Low blood pressure.

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