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Hygiene

Taking care of germs.

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A_man_called_CHIOG  Male  South East London 14-Feb-2020 08:04 Message #4770617
With so much talk of a dangerous virus from China are you taking more precautions here in the UK.
Would you be happy travelling the underground?
Are there things you don’t like to touch? Public door handles, grab rails, supermarket trollies?
Have you always been a manic hand washer or believe a few germs help your immune system?
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zodiac1  Male  Flintshire 14-Feb-2020 08:27 Message #4770626
I don't do much travelling at all,

I also believe that a few germs don't harm the immune system, I have never had this problem personally.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 14-Feb-2020 09:06 Message #4770627
Having worked in the care industry and education the one thing I've realised is how few people wash their hands after using the toilet. And I mean washing them properly, not giving them a quick rinse under a running tap.
At the risk of stirring up the male versus female battle again, female toilets are by far the dirtiest (girls are made of sugar and spice? I don't think so!!) - what do you women do in there?

This virus thing is baffling me, it's the flu by another name and kills thousands every year worldwide, so why the absolute panic now? Something smells fishy and it's not the plate from the haddock I had for dinner yesterday....
Female
wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 14-Feb-2020 11:07 Message #4770659
Its not the stuff I touch that worries me, its the numbers of people who don'tcover their faces when coughing and sneezing, OK sometimes a sneeze takes you by surprise, but most times you can feel it coming. The last time I had a bad cold was after some bloke in a supermarket walked past me and coughed in my face, I could feel a cloud of stickyness like invisable cling film sticking to my face. The other thing that attracts and retains dirt and germs is hair, hair is flithy stuff. But I do wash my hands properly, I'm not a rinser, rinsing your fingers really annoys me, I use a steam mop on my floors daily, mostly because of crud brought in by so many paws, but I'm not a big anti-bac user I do think our immune systems need something to work on.
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Topaz53  Female  Northamptonshire 14-Feb-2020 11:41 Message #4770666
TBH I haven't travelled the underground for years, so no worries there.

Absolutely nothing to worry about with a few germs, we've all grown up with them and our immune system will kick them into touch. !!

However, like HIEROPHANT, I've worked in education /social care.
When I first started in the school, I picked up everything and was constantly off sick. After a few months became as a strong as an ox ....never ill again.
The pupils there wouldn't have known what hygiene meant ...or cared.

Working in various care homes, same happened.
I don't think any of the adults with learning difficulties washed their hands, you wouldn't believe what I had to clean up...and norovirus was rife !
I was constantly ill and eventually built up my immune system and was fine.

I am disgusted by the amount of filthy people that walk out of public toilets that don't wash their hands.

Personally I give my flat a good clean at least 3 times a week and in between, bleach toilet and wipe surfaces and use floor wipes to give floor a quick going over.
I haven't had flu for 30 years, but did catch that virus when we had " the beast from the east ",
Get a rare cold but nothing major.

Just a bit of info, when I studied science when I did my catering at college, we used to take samples from various things...(bacterium)
One day we took a sample from a woman's mouth and a toilet seat....
The toilet seat won....amazing.
The bacteria called "staphylocoi" is rife around the nose and mouth area, so any one touching their nose, or mouth and then handling food....beware !!

Door handles anywhere, ATMS, Handshakes etc can't be avoided,
Chances are we've probably built up a resistance to them, hopefully.
Female
Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 14-Feb-2020 15:24 Message #4770692
Well I had to go to Old Street today. Central line and Northern line. Surreptitiously avoiding touching rails and suchlike because I forgot my gloves.

Northern line's the posh one, they all smell of Chanel or something and wear outpriced gear, central line is very varied, the odd one looks like he could have spent the night in a dustbin or somewhere.

Well anyway couldn't be bothered after a while, I think there is a chance in several million that someone is carrying it and you catch it, you'd have to sit on their lap. Didn't see any facemasks. Except one old Chinese gentleman walking along with the aid of a stick.

Always wash my hands, first thing I do if I've been out. I tend not to use public loos if I can avoid them.
Female
JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 14-Feb-2020 15:56 Message #4770695
I recall some discussion on various news channels that it is suspected there is an association between Chinese markets in Wuhan (and possibly other cities) and the close proximity of both wildlife kept in close proximity of animals farmed and also poor hygiene of animals in care. I think that's why unusually, coronavirus has jumped species and into humans.

https://www.worldanimalprotection.or.ke/blogs/connection-between-coronavirus-and-wildlife

https://blog.humanesociety.org/2020/01/coronavirus-offers-more-proof-why-china-needs-to-shut-down-live-wild-animal-markets-for-good.html

It reminds me why the above is a good argument why the issue and Trump and his chlorinated chicken isn't down to the problem eating such chicken, but that the poor animal standards warrant it.
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NoSaint  Female  Devon 14-Feb-2020 20:11 Message #4770732
I think the Chinese would be very pleased if we blamed the coronavirus on Trump and chickens but I blame it on Brexit and I’m sure we have been saved by Corbyn the messiah.
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Victoriana11  Female  Buckinghamshire 14-Feb-2020 20:22 Message #4770735
One of the worst places I have noticed, where people dont wash their hands ,after going to the toilet, is supermarket loos. It really puts me off food shopping. I keep thinking of the stuff they have handled and touched all round the shop. I mentioned it to himself the hday, and he said he had noticed the men not washing their hands there too.

Surely in a food shop, people should be even more aware of this
Female
Greencare  Female  Berkshire 14-Feb-2020 23:17 Message #4770746
I’m not fanatical about cleanliness but I do take the view that you’re unlikely to come to any harm due to too much hand washing and general hygiene.
Male
Seasons-Greetings  Male  Essex 15-Feb-2020 10:11 Message #4770757
I was going to say that about the lack of hand washing that you see. Sounds like visitors to the ladies is the same as the gents. I see it everywhere, be it shopping malls, supermarkets, pubs, cinema, airports.
It puts you off opening the door after you've washed and dried your hands knowing that someone just before you has completed their business and just left.
It's also why I avoid touching any handrails, grab handles, escalator rails etc, and anti-bac wipe hands if I have to use a shopping basket or trolley.
It will be interesting to see in the years to come, as more and more food is presented not prepacked in the supermarket in a bid to reduce plastic packaging, whether this translates into more cases of e.g e-coli contamination.
Female
JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 15-Feb-2020 11:32 Message #4770768
As usual and predictable, a derogatory and unnecessary comment from NoSaint's troll like behaviour.

Seasons-Greetings,

Good points you mention, which indeed were comments I made on my most recent Infection Control training at the specialist training centre at Harrogate hospital.

One of the key factors was the importance of handwashing (and I won the competition in post washing hand inspection under ultra-violet lamp reading) in a class of around 25. But the trainers did say I was going unnecessarily overboard, when I said after washing my hands, if paper towels were available, I would then use the towel I had dried my hands with to open the door to leave the room and then open the door of the room I was about to re-enter, then dispose of the paper towel into the foot pedal bin in my own clinical room. Obviously, this is not always necessary or possible where blowers are used or I am out and about in a shopping mall on a personal level. Anyway, the trainers thought I was being over the top, but I completely get the point Seasons-Greetings is making.

On the further point of e-coli and unwrapped foods that is a different issue. E-coli if generally only at risk where human faeces through unwashed hands tends to be in contact with cooked food or some foods likes salads, in transition to be prepared and then be eaten after poorly washed or unwashed hands and generally but not always tends to be transmitted to people with a weakened immune system.

Generally, coming into contact with germs is a god thing and actually boosts our immune systems and makes us resistant to such bugs which is why working on farms is not detrimental to health, nor is bringing up kids on farms, helping mucking out etc.

There has been thoughts that the rise in asthma in populations has been brought about by too much cleaning and sterilisation and that playing in muck is actually healthy.

There does seem to be a transitional point, (as I was mocked at by previously in troll like and bullying behaviour who prefers to degrade the comments of others rather than engage in a debate and gets his or her kicks for attention by other means) where there is a cut off point in "healthy" muck and healthy farming of both vegetables and animals and "unhealthy" combinations and proximities such as my previous example of why, in USA, there is a need for chlorinating foods that are sources from over farming, and in China where foods are probably not chlorinated but over marketed in unhealthy conditions as afore mentioned. So there is an overlap in unhealthy foods between USA and China, where one takes "precautions" and the other doesn't. The difference in my opinion is compassionate farming and not just the health of human consumption.

When I Googled chlorination of chicken, it is sad that the issue is mostly concerned with "fit for consumption" rather than care of the wellbeing of animals on their way to slaughter which China and to a lesser extent, the USA has concern for.
Male
HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 15-Feb-2020 21:36 Message #4770815
The European Food Safety Authority (EFSA)—an EU agency—and the British Poultry Council (BPC) have said it is safe to eat chicken rinsed with chlorine.

It’s a subject worth discussing and it’s important we maintain our own standards but this is another example of every Tom, Dick and Harry jumping on a bandwagon to try and prove their own point.
Male
Nigel_In_Devon  Male  Devon 16-Feb-2020 07:59 Message #4770829
I don't have an issue with the chlorinated chicken provided it is labelled as such so I can avoid it. I suspect a great many will do so too so how long it would be on sale for over here is debatable. They can't force us to eat the stuff!

Female
wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 16-Feb-2020 11:37 Message #4770865
No they can't Nigel but they can hide it in ready meals, pies and takeaways, seeing as so many people don't want to eat it I think it should be labelled even when in a precooked dish. If people didn't eat it I wonder what Trump would do when he found out?
Female
Greencare  Female  Berkshire 16-Feb-2020 12:47 Message #4770869
It’s eaten by millions across the US and American food standards although sometimes differing from ours are not necessarily inferior. Are we vilifying US chicken to annoy Trump? Some anti-Brexit protest? I think it should be labelled as halal meat should be labelled so the public have the choice.
Female
Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 16-Feb-2020 16:01 Message #4770889
NoSaint

I think the Chinese would be very pleased if we blamed the coronavirus on Trump and chickens but I blame it on Brexit and I’m sure we have been saved by Corbyn the messiah.

……………………………………………….

Haha Don't forget the Russians. They've been sidelined recently. Well no, I think Pompieo has started Russia bashing again.

By the way salads in supermarkets are rinsed in chlorine. The ones in packets.
Male
Nigel_In_Devon  Male  Devon 16-Feb-2020 18:00 Message #4770904
Greencare..."Are we vilifying US chicken to annoy Trump?"

Personally I couldn't care less if it annoyed Trump or not. I just don't fancy eating chlorinated chicken. Some people wouldn't have the same issues and that's fine. I just think it should be labelled as such so the consumers can make an informed choice.

"Halal meat should be labelled so the public have the choice."

It usually is isn't it? Otherwise those that specifically want halal can't get it,
Female
JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 16-Feb-2020 18:26 Message #4770911
Some seem to have missed the point I was making.

It's not the chlorinated chicken, it's that the need to chlorinating is due to poor animal welfare which is the connection I was pointing out with the start of new virus jumping species and spreading of disease.

I think it is nature's way, retribution, karma, call it what you like, but to abuse sentient beings for the arrogance of human entitlement will be humanities demise.

I don't care is chlorinated chicken is safe to eat, I care that the chickens had a happy life and a painless death.
Female
wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 16-Feb-2020 18:32 Message #4770912
I agree Lyn, we have some of the highest animal welfare standards in the world, I'd like it to stay that way, I don't want them diluted, we actually led the way in Europe with animal welfare.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 16-Feb-2020 18:45 Message #4770915
we have some of the highest animal welfare standards in the world, I'd like it to stay that way, I don't want them diluted, we actually led the way in Europe with animal welfare.

I agree absolutely but If people are not complaining of the chlorination of chickens but are saying they are concerned about the welfare of animals then they should be honest and say that is the case.


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