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Addictions

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terry  Male  West Yorkshire
9-Feb-2020 14:57 Message #4770202
Someone suggested to me years ago it was much harder to stop smoking cigarettes than to come off heroin. Never having done heroin I wouldn't know but the lad who suggested it had done both, so I'm inclined to believe him

Have you had experience of, or are you perhaps trying to now, 'kick the habit'? (I'm talking tobacco here, but if it's heroin it's ok, I won't tell anyone) if so, do you fancy telling a few words of what it was/is like for you?
Female
Minnie-the-Minx  Female  Hertfordshire
9-Feb-2020 15:14 Message #4770204
Kicking any habit is difficult. That's because it is a habit. ;)
I have a few habits, but none of them are nicotine or heroine.
Nonetheless, I don;t think that I have ever managed to kick any of them.
Male
fosy  Male  Leicestershire
9-Feb-2020 15:29 Message #4770206
i stopped smoking on 1/1/10, not as a new years resolution but because the hole in the wall told me i was skint, i was spending around £300/mth on the weed.

i think that because i was stopping out of necessity it was actually quite easy, i didnt use any aids, and the pangs were not as bad as when i had tried to stop smoking previously.
however, for about the next 3yrs i sometimes got the urge to have a smoke but just put it to the back of my mind and it would go away.

cant say as i found food more tasty or felt fitter etc, but my bank acc. is certainly healthier.
Male
NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire
9-Feb-2020 18:43 Message #4770219
I got addicted to CM4, that's * Championship Manager 2004.*
I fished that disc out of the bin many times.
When I kicked the habit, it was 2084/85 season, the program was struggling to regenerate new players!

I think a lot of people do a Fosy, smoking is so expensive nowadays.
Many people use vaping to kick the habit.

Vaping is cheaper, and considered less injurious to health.
Female
Clocky  Female  the West Midlands
9-Feb-2020 19:01 Message #4770222
I have smoked on and off since I was 18 so over 30 years. With each pregnancy I stopped without a second thought, no problems at all.
In later years when I've attempted to give up I've tried :going cold turkey, patches, inhilators, gum, Allen Carr programs, lozenges, vaping and herbal rose petal cigarettes... Some worked temporarily but non worked in the long term.
Then last year I was listening to a lecture about brain nutrition by Dr Tim Noakes... Or it could've been Stephen Phinny... Anyway... In that lecture was a couple of lines about addictions... Something along the line of your brain craving nutrition and we pick up and addiction, when what the brain in really craving is the amino acids only found in saturated fats. So... Wanting to test the theory I stopped smoking, sugar and caffeine all on the same day, replacing them with an animal based diet... Carnivore keto... I've not smoked a cig since, had no cravings for them and no withdrawal symptoms either.
Male
tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire
9-Feb-2020 19:05 Message #4770224
Used to smoke a lot......gave up in the 80's....became addicted to chewing gum for a while.....

Never tried heroin....never will.....Awful drug....No Heroin addict lives for very long.....or functions properly.....unless they give it up.....None.....

In a Harry Hill one liner....'It's a bit moorish'.....but seriously I would say it's harder to quit heroin if it has grabbed you hard.....

On another item....not to do with smoking or drugs.....I think I'm addicted to salt.....I try cutting down.....I try sea salt....I try rock salt....I try no salt.....but some things are just meant to have salt in my opinion.....eating them without salt is terrible....
Female
happywalker  Female  Dorset
9-Feb-2020 19:29 Message #4770229
I gave up smoking about 15 years ago (having previously given up for 7 years when my children were born.)
I had several failed attempts between the two voids.
When I finally gave up, I simply told myself I was not going to let an expensive and anti-social product rule my life any longer. I didn’t use any no-smoking products and had several difficult moments during the first 3 weeks. After that, I can honestly say I’ve never had or wanted another cigarette.
To this day, I do not know what was so different to my previous unsuccessful attempts, other than perhaps I really wanted to give up.
Wishing good luck to all those trying to kick the habit, never give up giving up !!
Female
Clocky  Female  the West Midlands
9-Feb-2020 19:31 Message #4770230
Tumbled... David Unwin has a new video out called Black Swans... He mentions a link between insulin and salt intake. Might be worth a look if you need to cut back for health reasons.
Male
Hierophant  Male  East Anglia
9-Feb-2020 21:02 Message #4770234
I stopped smoking over 20 years ago and found it very easy.
To be honest I smoked due to boredom at work (sitting on a tractor or combine for hours) and strangely can't say I enjoyed it.
In fact, it was making me feel pretty crappy all the time because I wasn't eating properly and finally the penny dropped how stupid I was. I was spending money on something I didn't enjoy, so I stopped and have never craved a fag since...
Female
JustLyn  Female  Cheshire
9-Feb-2020 22:15 Message #4770243
As an ex smoking cessation advisor I reckon it's part habit and part addiction and not 50/50. My partner found it easy to stop and he can't understand why my daughter keeping trying to stop and failing. I suspect that is because her reason to smoke was different to his.

My daughter gets terrible anxiety and she is horrible when she gets the anxiety attacks, then after a cigarette, even a few puffs, she is a different person and the lovely person she really is. Sorry to mention PIP again, but now it is her turn to go through a stupid face to face assessment again so she is back smoking again after managing to stop because she feels it relieves her anxiety.

On the other hand, other folks smoke just out of habit and light up because they deem it to be a social politeness, or time to have something in one hand a cuppa in the other, but they don't actually need it in the same way.

I often get these theories that I am later proved right on and one was /is to do with what I would call your "blotting paper factor", or in other words, how absorbent one is to the addictive bit, nicotine. Some people soak up more damage or even addiction that the next person. Maybe there is a genetic connection?

I always used to bite my nails and people who had tried to stop smoking would assume stopping smoking was harder, until one day an asthma patient came to an appointment, could breath and breezed in my room saying how much better she felt now she had stopped smoking and stopped biting her nails. I said she was just the patient I had been waiting for to ask which was hardest and she said stopping biting her nails was the hardest because that habit was with her 100% of the time, whereas cigarettes she had to buy and it was a choice to carry them.

Basically, everyone is different and I am pretty sure for some who are more addicted than others then it is the habit that gets to the others.

An interesting observation over the years has been that heavy smokers seemed to quite more easily than occasional or light smokers and anecdotally there does seem to be a connection between occasional and light smokers like my daughter using cigarettes as a pacifying drug so "need" their fix when life gets to them, whereas heavy smokers light up because they can and more often than not, do so out of habit rather than addiction.
Male
fosy  Male  Leicestershire
9-Feb-2020 22:16 Message #4770244
"other than perhaps I really wanted to give up."

and that is the bottom line...
Male
BOYDEL  Male  Surrey
9-Feb-2020 22:50 Message #4770245
Lyn

Anecdotally the husband of a woman I worked with had a heart attack and was naturally advised to cease smoking - which he tried to do.

Not long after she said she would prefer if he continued smoking as he was very moody otherwise (not cos she wanted to finish him off).
Male
BOYDEL  Male  Surrey
9-Feb-2020 23:17 Message #4770250
Terry

Never did narcotics or smoked personally...

But going back maybe 30/35 yrs I learned of a doctor who did a research trip to China and found that they sometimes used acupuncture as the sole anaesthesia in major surgery eg lung excision etc.
To maximise effect of the needles though - the anaesthetist had to keep twiddling the needles which sometimes caused cramp in said fingers...

Anyway she returned to UK and did more research and developed a box of electronics - like a Sony Walkman worn on the waist with the hardware and electrodes which were clipped to the ears etc of addicts going through the cold turkey process - each box would be individually tailored to the individual's needs and generated a similar therapeutic benefit as the acupuncture process described above.

In non drug users the body naturally produces hormones to damp down the normally painful effects of just normal day to day living eg joint surfaces grinding against each other etc etc.
Once you start smoking or using narcotics etc the body then effectively says "no point in keeping a dog and barking" so it cuts down on the natural pain killer hormones and lets the synthetic substances take over that role - so of course when you try to give up smoking/drugs you are in a lot of discomfort for a fair while until the body restarts the natural hormone production and optimises that natural painkiller function once again. That is where NET comes in (see below)

Apparently she treated Boy George several times (which begs the question on efficacy)

She later wrote a book with the punny title NET OR ROD - she was keen on fishing and NET was an acronym for Neuro Electronic Therapy.

Am trying to recall her name - Meg somebody....
Male
tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire
10-Feb-2020 09:42 Message #4770265
Thanks Clocky.....I will check it out....

Female
JustLyn  Female  Cheshire
10-Feb-2020 11:19 Message #4770272
BOYDEL,

I can really understand the situation of the woman and her husband who had understandably been advised to stop. It's a horrible dilemma because I would never wish my daughter to smoke knowing what I know having worked on the heart and lung division at Wythenshawe Hopsital, but her behaviour does have a huge impact on my own mental health and sends me sinking into a place a got out of years ago.

The woman's remarks about her husband though reminds me of a couple of other women who have been in consultations with their husbands when, as a nurse, I had to ask about erectile dysfunction and without allowing the male partner to answer they would decide he shouldn't have help because she, the woman, no longer wanted sex. Sorry, it's a bit off thread, but it is connected when someone else can have the power to influence long term health for their own choices.
Male
HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire
10-Feb-2020 12:59 Message #4770292
Someone suggested to me years ago it was much harder to stop smoking cigarettes than to come off heroin.

I doubt that is true.
Male
BOYDEL  Male  Surrey
10-Feb-2020 17:21 Message #4770306
Lyn

BP meds can also cause ED - a male friend was very aggrieved when his GP put him on hypotensives but failed to tell him about all potential side effects - so he refused to comply with the meds after reading the leaflet.

He was also a chain smoker of roll ups and sadly died from aortic aneurysm/CVA around age 51.

Another woman I know told me that she was chatting with a group of several other female friends of hers in their 50s and all said they no longer wanted sex with their husbands - or sex period.
Female
JustLyn  Female  Cheshire
10-Feb-2020 20:01 Message #4770323
Not all BP meds, but "the water tablet" used to be the first line of choice probably because it was the cheapest, but the trouble I observed was as clever GPs are, they never seemed to think of stopping or swapping tablets 10 years on when guidelines had changed.

I took lots of men (and some women) off bendrofluromethiazide that basically made people pee out their blood pressure and deflated other bits as well!

It was a specialist area of mine from 2001 to retiring last week :-)
The old men (not much older than me) GPs used to get embarrassed so referred patients to me but when they retired early and I retired late, the new young female GPs were much less embarrassed or maybe men also changed and were less embarrassed too.
Male
Nigel_In_Devon  Male  Devon
10-Feb-2020 20:59 Message #4770331
I tried all sorts to give up cigarettes. Hypnotism, acupuncture, but neither worked for me. I had started when I dated a girl that smoked when I was around 18/19. When i met my wife to be, she didn't smoke, but didn't mind me smoking as she had grown up with both her parents smoking. I don't know what it was but something just clicked and I stopped. I haven't liked the smell ever since. Not smoked now for about 40 years.
Male
brisinger-the-beekeeper  Male  Lancashire
11-Feb-2020 00:42 Message #4770343
I reckon it's more than just part habit and part addiction. There's also the part financial and part want to give up on a subconscious and conscious level.
Male
BOYDEL  Male  Surrey
11-Feb-2020 13:46 Message #4770361
I know a rather sad example of the financial implications of just smoking - a guy around 60 who smoked 40 plus cigs a day from at least as young as age 15.

He was one of the possibly rare ones who stopped overnight on doctor's advice - but he now rents a bedsit in a private flat - but could easily have funded the purchase of that flat via what was spent on cigs.

In my experience there is a higher proportion of low income smokers/boozers than amongst higher income groups.


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