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Election Campaign 2019

Highlights 30th October

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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 30-Oct-2019 22:55 Message #4761018
Nicholas Soames MP was asked what his Grandad (Winston Churchill), would think about his political career?

He gave an honest answer, NOT MUCH
Looking forward to more honest answers throughout the campaign.

Also Jeremy Corbyn had a green tie on.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 31-Oct-2019 08:47 Message #4761024
He could have gone the whole hog and donned a complete green suit like laurence llewelyn-bowen in the victorian plumbing advert....
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 31-Oct-2019 11:49 Message #4761035
I think the tie was about Grenfell.

I wonder what the effect of so many MP's standing down will be apart from a lot of new MP's of course? Some people are loyal to a particular MP rather than the party they belong to, some may see a new candidate, an unfamiliar face as an opportunity to vote on the issues rather than the party or person.

I was surprised at Nicky Morgan standing down, she always came across as the Head Girl of the Tory Party and was tipped as a future leader.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 31-Oct-2019 12:01 Message #4761036
I know the tie was about Grenfell, another bandwagon that he has jumped on where has to outdo everybody else - hence my suit jibe.
Let's hope he reaches into his wealthy pockets and gets some glasses that fit, watching him push them back up his nose every 2 minutes like some pretentious geography teacher is annoying already...
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Neros1954  Male  Devon 31-Oct-2019 12:22 Message #4761037
Even as a labour supporter I find Corbyn's tricks quite abhorrent and jumping on the Grenfell bandwagon was not a sign of respect but a political opportunity.
This is another thing I don;t like about corbyn.

Labour‘s official Jewish affiliate has announced that it will not support the party in the upcoming general election campaign because of Jeremy Corbyn‘s “failure of leadership” over antisemitism.

The Jewish Labour Movement (JLM) said it believed Mr Corbyn was unfit to be prime minister and claimed that “a culture of antisemitism has been allowed to emerge and fester in the party at all levels”.
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Mumsie  Female  Warwickshire 31-Oct-2019 18:30 Message #4761055
What a mess and what on earth lies ahead for Britain, makes me quite in fear of this country , sinking and all cast afloat who survive it
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 31-Oct-2019 18:48 Message #4761060
Keith Vaz MP, suspended from parliament for 6 months.
Now he has been a naughty boy, but can he return in 6 months?
Will he be standing again in the election?


31st October 2019

Happy Halloween.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 31-Oct-2019 19:13 Message #4761068
So where is not "jumping on the bandwagon" actually OK too?

The guy can't win, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
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bella111  Female  Devon 31-Oct-2019 19:20 Message #4761069
Well with a bit of luck Lyn, he will be damn well gone!!
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 31-Oct-2019 21:04 Message #4761072
Yeah I think Keith Vaz is standing and I notice John Bercow saved him using some parliamentary privilege law from the 1700's.
Still it will all come out in the wash...eh Jim?.... lol
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fosy  Male  Leicestershire 31-Oct-2019 22:13 Message #4761074
didnt teflon vaz evade having his collar felt over the expenses scandal because of lack of evidence ?
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 31-Oct-2019 22:22 Message #4761075
I was told his name was Keith Daz or maybe that was a bit of spin.... lol
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 31-Oct-2019 23:13 Message #4761079
So we already have the first ACE of the 2019 election campaign.
The ACE goes to Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party.

Donald Trump opened his mouth, and put his big ginger foot straight in it, (sorry orange).
Now things are opening up a little.

Also Anna Soubry been on TV again whinging about something.
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 1-Nov-2019 11:03 Message #4761099
If theres one thing the British dislake its being told what to do by foreigners, especially the Americans, take back control from foreign influences over our contry!

Actually from what I saw Anaa Soubry and others were talking about the sort of abuse they suffer on a daily basis, both sides of the Brexit divide are guilty, credible death threats, threats to family like being sent pictures of your children from outside their schools, threats to kill "your" mum, anti semitic, homophobic abuse. Many MP's are having to have panic alarms installed in their houses and step up their personal protection, no open surgeries anymore because of threats to safety. Some MP's have had people prosecuted because of attempts on their lives, their property or credible conspiracies to kill them. Thats not whinging, that raising valid concerns, its putting people off entering public life and shortening the careers of many others, this has got to stop for everyones sake.

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mancers  Male  Greater Manchester 1-Nov-2019 11:48 Message #4761106
I think all this anti-Corbyn rhetoric by the Conservatives is doing Labour the world of good, and Trump and Farage are doing a good job for Jeremy, keep up the good work. :0)
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Colonel_Blink  Male  Buckinghamshire 1-Nov-2019 12:14 Message #4761109
wonderoushen Female Gwynedd 1-Nov-2019 11:03 new Message #4761099
If theres one thing the British dislake its being told what to do by foreigners, especially the Americans, take back control from foreign influences over our contry!

Actually from what I saw Anaa Soubry and others were talking about the sort of abuse they suffer on a daily basis, both sides of the Brexit divide are guilty, credible death threats, threats to family like being sent pictures of your children from outside their schools, threats to kill "your" mum, anti semitic, homophobic abuse. Many MP's are having to have panic alarms installed in their houses and step up their personal protection, no open surgeries anymore because of threats to safety. Some MP's have had people prosecuted because of attempts on their lives, their property or credible conspiracies to kill them. Thats not whinging, that raising valid concerns, its putting people off entering public life and shortening the careers of many others, this has got to stop for everyones sake.


I hope we never believe a genuine fear of abuse is simply whinging.

I do think Trump's dislike of Corbyn helps Labour as a lot of people dislike Trump.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 1-Nov-2019 16:03 Message #4761116
The Peoples' News Online in 2018 reported on a survey...

"Despite the ongoing debate about antisemitism within the Labour Party the most recent survey concluded that Labour Party members were less likely to be anti-semitic than UKIP or Conservative party members, however more likely than Liberal Democrats. Tory Party members are 8% more likely to hold antisemitic views than Labour members. Only 4% of Jews feel that no UK political parties tolerate antisemitism.
The survey conducted by Campaign Against Antisemitism did, however, show that despite Labour holding less antisemitic beliefs than Conservatives, Jews still viewed the party in a negative light. The report stated “Labour Party supporters are less likely to be antisemitic than other voters, so the cause of British Jews’ discontentment with the Labour Party must be the way that it has very publicly failed to robustly deal with the antisemites in its ranks.”
One could argue the way the media portray stories, like the Corbyn scandal and the comment he made about an antisemitic mural in 2012, could also affect beliefs.
Mr Corbyn is facing extremely harsh treatment from the media over his remarks about an antisemitic mural. The comments sparked a protest by the Jewish Leadership council.
However, Jewish Voice and Jewish socialist groups have rallied behind the Labour leader, stating his record in fighting racism is extremely good, and going on to say they have “worked alongside Jeremy Corbyn in campaigns against all forms of racism.” The Jewish Socialist Group pointed out the Jewish Leadership council has links with the Tory party, including it’s former chair Sir Mick Davis who is now Chief Executive of the Conservative Party."
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 1-Nov-2019 16:13 Message #4761117
And if people can bother to read evidence, FACTCHECK was reported on Channel4News

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-antisemitism-political-parties

I have heard Margaret Hodge complain, and Luciana? Berger but they do not appear to have given instances of why they are complaining. IF it is people on Facebook or Twitter, then is it reasonable for Corbyn to be responsible for 500,000 plus members of which some will be anti-Semitic.

But then some feel this being used by Conservative sources to discredit Labour in a dishonest way without being able to put their own house in order.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 1-Nov-2019 19:02 Message #4761124
@IpsosMORI leader satisfaction ratings,

Johnson +2
Swinson -12
Corbyn -60
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 1-Nov-2019 19:03 Message #4761125
There's an equal amount of anti Muslim feeling in the Conservative party and its supporters, Baroness Varsi has asked for an independent inquiry into it, but nothing seems to be happening.

I don't hold Corbyn personally accountable for 500,000 peoples views, but I do think he should be showing stronger leadership on it, its not enough to say you're against it, you have to be seen to be actively doing something or it looks like complicity. I don't think the Jewish community will have taken this desicion lightly as the Jewish Labour movement has always been very strong and far more like minded with Corbyn than many of his centerist predecessors. I think theres always been a wde but hidden streak of anti-semitism in Britain, including on the left, just as there is racism in general, something whether Brexit or not has made these people come out of the woodwork exposing the scuzzy underbelly of Britain. We have to own this or it will own us, whether its outright facism or the bland face of intstituionalised racism where its normalised and accepted as "a bit of a laugh", or worse hiding under the banner of free speech. Many people who tell racist jokes don't even realise they're being racist and get defensive when challenged, I think this sort of unthinking racism leaves people open to more overt and truely nasty racism.

JustLyn I know you love Corbyn and as far as you're concerned he can do no wrong, but the abuse of MP's is cross party, cross gender and seems to be getting worse, can you not accept that its a problem that getting worse and putting good people off entering public life? I don't think any one person can solve it, but we and people in public life have to wind our necks in a bit, it dosen't help when the PM says to another MP's face in the HoC that when she's talking about death threats and he calls it humbug that he's giving permission to those people.
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NoSaint  Female  Devon 1-Nov-2019 19:50 Message #4761130
I’m not surprised the anti-Semitism in the Labour Party has reared it’s ugly head again. Such behaviour is unacceptable and it is losing Labour a lot of support even within their own party. Corbyn’s acceptance and lack of action is completely the opposite to how a leader should behave.
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 1-Nov-2019 20:59 Message #4761134
Farage offers alliance to Boris Johnson, the offer is rejected.

At this stage polls suggest an overall majority for the Conservative party.
Rejecting an alliance with the Brexit party, could be a pivotal moment in the 2019 campaign.
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NoSaint  Female  Devon 1-Nov-2019 21:06 Message #4761135
Johnson is bad enough but Farage is even worse. It would be a very depressing double act.
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Orson  Male  Tayside 1-Nov-2019 21:58 Message #4761136
One thinks the options available for this future election are beyond dismal.
Here in Scotland, it seems that there appeared to be plenty of fish in the sea. But one went off in search of Tadpoles only to be caught in the trawling net,
Whilst the other petulantly is pretending past successes with her brother will be eclipsed by a future creating fables out of very little.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 2-Nov-2019 22:15 Message #4761268
WH,

"JustLyn I know you love Corbyn and as far as you're concerned he can do no wrong"

It might appear I love Corbyn but it is obvious that people read and pick up on bits they choose to.

I repeat:

I designed some policies in my own head of how I think things should run after the disaster of Thatcher selling off the silver, then Blair selling off the cutlery, then Cameron et al dealing with the International banking crisis by making the vulnerable, sick and disabled foot the bill.

I repeat, I had not heard of Corbyn. He simply popped up with all my policies.

How could I not be pleased and hope for a New (er) Labour to start a more sensible and compassionate trend of looking after people instead of trying to get them to self-destruct. 120,000 have now died either being rejected for benefits or having to wait with no money to get them back.

At the time I wrote all that stuff that made people angry here, reactive, call me hateful even, my own three children had born the brunt of it. How else am I supposed to feel?

I have not actually seen any evidence of what people complain about Corbyn. Am I supposed to join in the herd of believing so when I see evidence to the contrary?

If Corbyn was replaced tomorrow, if we had any other name representing the same caring values, I would support those values, Corbyn or not.

I want to get rid of ATOS, CAPITA, MAXIMUS, CareUK, Virgin buying into NHS services then suing public services for money. I want rid of prison ownership G4S and Sodexo.
I want public ownership of water etc.
Corbyn is just the guy heading those policies.

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