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ALL pupils at ALL schools under OFSTED shall be vaxx-ed (except under medical advice).

(A Debate) Members of this Forum agree that

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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 30-Sep-2019 16:19 Message #4755162
A number of correspondents have suggested a Debate style Thread.
I, therefore, suggest the above as a current and urgent subject.

In the first instance,
1.0 I will propose this Motion.
At this point, "The Forum" looks for a
2.0 Seconder
3.0 Main speaker against the Motion
4.0 A Seconder to speak against the Motion.

Statements are not required at this stage.

As with all debates, the order of presentation will be:

1.0
3.0
2.0
4.0

The Motion will then be open to the General membership.

The Forum would look for a person or persons (Two; 1 F; 1 M) to Chair the debate.
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Nigel_In_Devon  Male  Devon 30-Sep-2019 17:41 Message #4755185
What's "vaxxed"?
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 30-Sep-2019 18:23 Message #4755188
Lol what planet are you on? Are you the full ticket?
I would suggest you'd be lucky to find more than a few people who haven't blocked you...
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Goody2shoes  Male  Nottinghamshire 30-Sep-2019 18:27 Message #4755189
Lol Hiero.

Why whats happened?
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Witheflow  Male  North Yorkshire 30-Sep-2019 18:31 Message #4755190
I would like to propose myself against this motion Good2Bwith. Depending on the other participators.

Vaxxed is Vaccinated Nigel. There's a big debate in the MSM about a mass sheep dipping for children coming. Enforced by the State.

I notice Hireo is attempting to Troll this already. Shame he calls others by what he does himself
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 30-Sep-2019 18:32 Message #4755191
Lol why don't you ask yourself? lol lol
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 30-Sep-2019 18:52 Message #4755196
Start Hiero,
Why do you use my photo on your profile?
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 30-Sep-2019 18:59 Message #4755200
I second that...
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 30-Sep-2019 19:10 Message #4755204
They have gone.

I mean he has gone, lol lol.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 30-Sep-2019 19:21 Message #4755207
Doh….Good2BW,

Even if you are trained in education and know a lot about authentic research, we are only on a friendship / dating thread. We're not being "chaired" !!!

Crikey, if some folks here don't understand research and finding the facts, it is going to be very tedious trying to stick to that kind of debating.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 30-Sep-2019 19:21 Message #4755208
Witheflow Sex icon 30-Sep-2019 18:31
I would like to propose myself against this motion Good2Bwith.
Thank you. A most welcome 'opponent' who is well versed in researching a subject and presenting the case in a rational way.

Depending on the other participators.
I understand your reservation - especially in the light of the furniture throwers who have so far appeared.
One can but hope that those who have called for a Debate, rather than a slanging match, will soon put themselves forward - even as 'speakers' from the 'floor'.

Vaxxed is Vaccinated Nigel. There's a big debate in the MSM about a mass sheep dipping for children coming. Enforced by the State.
Thank you for that, Witheflow.
I'm surprized that this is not a hot topic in every school and especially in staff-rooms.
I must look up what the TUs have had to say - before the Formal debate starts.

I notice Hireo is attempting to Troll this already. Shame he calls others by what he does himself
Cog. Dis. is virulent and highly infective amongst those who have not been immunized by exposure to "Thinking for themselves in an analytical way."
Dean Swift named them Yahoos in Gulliver's Travels.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 30-Sep-2019 19:26 Message #4755209
Oh well this is crap and going absolutely nowhere, I might as well block you again...
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Witheflow  Male  North Yorkshire 30-Sep-2019 19:27 Message #4755210
JustLyn. Good point but, may i add for those unable to "Stick to that kind of debating".
Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt. Mark Twain
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MrQuiet  Male  Northamptonshire 30-Sep-2019 20:01 Message #4755223
Good2BWitheflowinggoodintentWandering4fun

He is the culprit.

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Aely  Female  Hampshire 30-Sep-2019 20:45 Message #4755238
If I may hold the talking stick for a moment.

The proposal is being made for all the right reasons, to ensure "herd immunity". However, there are a couple of problems I can see.

1. There is no law I know of to forcibly vaccinate children if their parents do not agree to vaccination.

2. There is a law forcing children to attend school. To attend (state) school they will have to be vaccinated. Yes, home education is currently allowed but how many parents can do this to a good standard?

3. We have a lot of migrant children. These children may not have been vaccinated in their native countries. Getting "catch-up" vaccinations, when a child is past the normal age for the vaccination, is virtually impossible.

4. Will there be "religious" or "cultural" exemptions allowed? I can't think of any belief system that specifically prohibits vaccinations, mostly because they are a comparatively recent innovation, but some objections are bound to be raised by different groups based on interpretation.

5. Will the Government actually admit that sometimes a jab can damage a child and will there be compensation for such occurrences, regardless of the the fact that IF they had caught the illness they MIGHT have been equally or even more damaged?
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 30-Sep-2019 21:06 Message #4755246
Aely,

Since I give the injections I have to admit I am on the fence on this one, but professionally I shouldn't be.

However,

1. A new law is being considered. In Australia they already do this.

2. Not sure how they'd get round that.

3.One of my bugbears is immigrants (excl refugees) don't seem to be encouraged to bring in medical information.
Vaccinations aren't like giving a drug overdose, we start as if they are 8 weeks old on any person any age.
Whether I'm supportive of open immigration or not, it's a huge cost if unnecessary, not only in vaccine but the appointments used in catching up. It's one thing I think should be taken out of a GP surgery.

4.Jehovahs Witness refuse vaccinations.
Also since some have pork in them, Muslim people have to avoid certain brand of MMR.

5. If any vaccine causes side effects, a "yellow card" is issued. As far as I know, there is such a rare instance in "damage" that the risk of not getting immunised is higher than the risk of damage.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 30-Sep-2019 21:16 Message #4755252
Thank you for that excellent contribution:

However, there are a number of procedural difficulties:

1.0 It's a trifle premature as the debate hasn't started yet.
1.1 The format is a traditional debate rather than a passing round of a Right to Speak Stick

2.0 Are you intending to speak:
2.1 For the Motion - as a seconder
2.2 Against the Motion - as a proposer or seconder
2.3 From the 'Floor'?
Or

3.0 Are you seeking to propose an / some Amendment/s to the Motion?
Or

4.0 Ask questions which will be answered in the Summings up?
Or

5.0 Would members prefer that the Platform respond to questions as they arise?
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MrQuiet  Male  Northamptonshire 30-Sep-2019 21:19 Message #4755254
The trolls have been rumbled and exposed and they are very annoyed. Lol.
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Aely  Female  Hampshire 30-Sep-2019 21:34 Message #4755265
Sorry chair. This is an open Forum and I have spoken. I am debating the issue, not making an opening statement for one side or the other, as I am not sure of my position on this subject. I thought you must have dispensed with opening statements because of a lack of volunteers.

Aely, one time member of the Al-Fa Debating Society.
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 30-Sep-2019 21:40 Message #4755269
Spot on Mr Quiet.
Wonder if they are actually members of the Labour party?
If they are. it would be interesting to see what the party would think about their activities.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 30-Sep-2019 23:11 Message #4755308
1.0 A much-repeated plea for an orderly Debate and linked conversations have been proposed for the occasional subject on the Forum.
2.0 the behaviour of the Faux-a-TrollTrolls (FaT-Trollsin this forum I had my severe doubts that a structured conversation based on a set and widely used format could be run.
3.0 As an experiment to test my thesis, I attempted to set up a Traditional Debate.
It has failed and proven my thesis.
4.0 As an Anarcho-Syndicalist (Chomsky Faction) with Democratic Socialists roots I'm somewhat pleased at the outcome.
5.0 That which has emerged is anarchy and not any recognizable form of Anarchism suggested by Bakunin; Kropotkin; Chomsky or Pierre-Joseph Proudhon; et alia.
6.0 It bears no relationship to Anarcho-Syndicalizm (Chomsky Faction) what-so-ever.

QED
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Witheflow  Male  North Yorkshire 30-Sep-2019 23:55 Message #4755319
Fantastic experiment G2BW. Proves perfectly, that Order & Conformity are very strange bed fellows. If i may opinionate; Aely conformed but attempted to take over the chair. Which possibly relates to her personality working in Government. JustLyn expressed concern, with a possible conflict of her work practice. But still willing to debate i feel. Hiero, Hermit and Quiet, came to destroy. Then scurry back to the cabal, and demean us as Trolls. The saying "Takes one to know one", certainly proves itself here.

Than you again. Very enlightening.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 1-Oct-2019 13:19 Message #4755369
Witheflow Sex icon 30-Sep-2019 23:55

Thank you so much for your (IMO) fine summing-up of this experiment.

*As initiator, I declare that this Thread and Motion: "Lie UNDER the Table" (Ref: Citrine)

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SQL  Male  Devon 1-Oct-2019 18:14 Message #4755451
Good2BWith - 30-Sep-2019 23:11

1.0 A much-repeated plea for an orderly Debate and linked conversations have been proposed for the occasional subject on the Forum.
2.0 the behaviour of the Faux-a-Troll (FaT-Trolls in this forum I had my severe ............. Chomsky Faction) what-so-ever.


I suppose it makes you feel important to put up this wording, I don't think any (apart from your admirers) are fooled by this.

Where is the motion? Any debate requires an independent chair. Who is going to count the 'for' and 'against' at the end?

SQL
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 1-Oct-2019 18:22 Message #4755453
As initiator, I declared that this Thread and Motion: "Lie UNDER the Table" (Ref: Citrine)

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