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Labour's Brexit Policy

According to Emily Thornberry

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Aely  Female  Hampshire 8-Sep-2019 17:12 Message #4751492
and confirmed by John McDonnell.

Take over the Government (presumably without a General Election?), renegotiate a deal with Europe then put the deal to the people, recommending them to turn it down with "stay in the EU" as the alternative option.

Sounds like a truly sensible and democratic plan to me.

Oh, hang on a minute. No it doesn't.
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MrQuiet  Male  Northamptonshire 8-Sep-2019 17:19 Message #4751493
Corbyn and McDonnell are a worrying prospect for the country. Even Stalin realised that their extreme socialism and state control doesn’t work.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 8-Sep-2019 17:37 Message #4751501
Indeed, that's why with all that's going on now, I don't understand why this "rebel alliance" don't table a motion to revoke article 50 and have done with it.
Labour are playing games, just like the rest of them, slowly killing Brexit whilst pretending to be democratic and fighting for the people.
Seriously, why would the EU waste their time negotiating with Labour knowing full well they were going to tell people to reject the deal no matter how wonderful it was.
Before we know it it will be 4 years since the original referendum, at what point do we throw in the towel and say the result is no longer legitimate?
I hope, above hope, that these politicians pay the price at the election.....
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Witheflow  Male  North Yorkshire 8-Sep-2019 18:30 Message #4751508
Aely. I don't know which biased news feed fed you that. But if i can help, I will explain.

This sham of a Government will fall soon. But when they do, it will be via a General Election in November. John McDonnell will then lay out Labours approach to honour the will of the last European referendum. But due to all the corruption and cheating that occurred in the last one. Not forgetting the lies and murdered female politician. A more informed by choice referendum will be given to the people. Then, which ever way the result goes, they will act on it fully. That's Democracy.

With the deepest respect Aely. Could you please source that scenario you posted please?
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Michaelt  Male  Devon 8-Sep-2019 18:36 Message #4751510
Aely , On winning the next general election, Jeremy Corbyn, having already spoken with EU Socialist leaders, will renegotiate the European Single Market. The Custom's Union, and Freedom of Movement in Goods, Services, and People. This is a perfect plan.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 8-Sep-2019 18:41 Message #4751514
Then Labour will campaign for people to reject it and the UK remain in the EU.
Unless of course they are lying?...
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fosy  Male  Leicestershire 8-Sep-2019 18:55 Message #4751520
when thorny said this on question time it got the biggest laugh of the night !
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 8-Sep-2019 19:03 Message #4751521
What about the Lib Dems leader.

We will have another vote, and if its leave again we will ignore the result?
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 8-Sep-2019 19:42 Message #4751524
I wonder if we will ever leave the EU?...
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Michaelt  Male  Devon 8-Sep-2019 19:49 Message #4751525
Hierophant , We will never leave the EU......
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 8-Sep-2019 19:54 Message #4751526
So why doesn't Corbyn man-up and revoke article 50 instead of dragging the country down?...
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Victoriana11  Female  Buckinghamshire 8-Sep-2019 19:54 Message #4751527
On Questiontime, I began to think Emily Thornbury was in charge, she was rude & arrogant and did her best to take over the show. She should have been taken to task for it. Instead Fiona just sat back and let her get on with it.( as always)

I feel sorry for her husband - I would think he is very downtrodden
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 8-Sep-2019 20:16 Message #4751529
Victoriana11 8-Sep-2019 19:54
On Questiontime, I began to think Emily Thornbury was in charge, she was rude & arrogant and did her best to take over the show. She should have been taken to task for it. Instead Fiona just sat back and let her get on with it.( as always)

I feel sorry for her husband - I would think he is very downtrodden
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 8-Sep-2019 20:16 Message #4751530
Victoriana11 8-Sep-2019 19:54
On Questiontime, I began to think Emily Thornbury was in charge, she was rude & arrogant and did her best to take over the show. She should have been taken to task for it. Instead Fiona just sat back and let her get on with it.( as always)

I feel sorry for her husband - I would think he is very downtrodden

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Aely  Female  Hampshire 8-Sep-2019 20:19 Message #4751531
Withtheflow, I don't do "Newsfeeds", whatever they are.
I don't do Face-ache. I don't do Twat-ter. This site is the nearest I get to Social Media and "influencers".

I heard Emily Thornberry with my own shell-likes on Friday's Question Time. Fiona Bruce couldn't believe what she had heard and asked her to repeat it. Emily gawped like a goldfish for a few seconds wondering how she could cover the gaffe. Fiona read the comment back to her and Emily conceded that she had indeed said it and that it was the truth.

I will concede that JD did not confirm it was currently Labour policy when I saw him on the Andrew Marr show this morning. He did talk about Labour working on a deal with the EU (apparently May's agreement with tweaks if permitted by our EU masters) then a referendum on deal/remain and he would go for remain as a preference. He is the Shadow Chancellor and very close to Corbyn. Corbyn does as he is told by the major players in his party, even if he says the opposite. QED, Labour would campaign against its own agreement.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 8-Sep-2019 20:22 Message #4751532
MrQuiet 8-Sep-2019 17:19
Corbyn and McDonnell are a worrying prospect for the country.
Even Stalin realised that their extreme socialism and state control doesn’t work

You saw him say that on TV a couple of days ago?
He's alive and well and living on planet Zog?
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Witheflow  Male  North Yorkshire 8-Sep-2019 20:34 Message #4751533
"why doesn't Corbyn man-up and revoke article 50" Hierophant 8th September 2019

Man up? Very masculine language there Hiero. Male domination, same old scene Sebastian.

Revoke article 50 That's the elected Governments gift. You're jumping the gun a little there. Just chill down and let's see how things progress when, labour take over and do it properly.
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Aely  Female  Hampshire 8-Sep-2019 20:40 Message #4751534
Withtheflow - Please acknowledge the sourcing I have provided you, as per your request.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 8-Sep-2019 20:45 Message #4751537
Aely Sex 8-Sep-2019 17:12
and confirmed by John McDonnell.
Take over the Government (presumably without a General Election?), renegotiate a deal with Europe then put the deal to the people, recommending them to turn it down with "stay in the EU" as the alternative option.
Sounds like a truly sensible and democratic plan to me.
Oh, hang on a minute. No it doesn't.


There is an adage which I recommend to you in this particular case:

Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought Politically Naive than to Speak and Remove All Doubt
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Witheflow  Male  North Yorkshire 8-Sep-2019 20:49 Message #4751538
Aely, thanks for your reply. I also watched Questiontime and didn't see Emily Thornberry propose any of your initial points. eg,
"confirmed by John McDonnell" , "Take over the Government (presumably without a General Election?)" , "recommending them to turn it down" . What i did notice was, two Brexit Tory bullies shouting her down everytime she tried to speak. Maybe amongst all the masculine bully noises, you misheard. But thank you for confirming it wasn't a valid source, and just an opinion during white noise.

Regarding Marr and the narrative/agenda and style of his questioning. Look between the lines if you can. The Establishment are messing themselves, on the thought of Corbyn being elected and rebalancing their cosy gravy train. Fiona Bruce included. It's classic Propaganda.
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Witheflow  Male  North Yorkshire 8-Sep-2019 20:53 Message #4751539
Correction. Three Tory Bullies. Iain Dale, Kwasi Kwarteng MP, Richard Tice MEP.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 8-Sep-2019 20:57 Message #4751540
Hierophant 8-Sep-2019 18:41
Then Labour will campaign for people to reject it and the UK remain in the EU.
Unless of course they are lying?...

The all-seeing and all-knowing Hierophant has consulted his Crystal Ball and has foreseen the outcome of the 2019 Labour Party Conference.

(hierophant; noun = a person, especially a priest, who interprets sacred mysteries or esoteric principles. Oxford)
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 8-Sep-2019 21:03 Message #4751541
Hierophant 8-Sep-2019 19:54
So why doesn't Corbyn man-up and revoke article 50 instead of dragging the country down?...

Wake up at the back, Hierophant Minimus

The Prime Minister, Mr Johnson, is "dragging the country down" incredibly well all on his own.
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Michaelt  Male  Devon 8-Sep-2019 21:06 Message #4751543
To one and all. Question Time is classic Propaganda care of the Tory biased BBC.

Propaganda only works when people believe it, and there are plenty on here.
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SQL  Male  Devon 8-Sep-2019 21:39 Message #4751547
I see the 'excellent' votes are still flowing freely.

SQL

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