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Crime is at it's highest level ever

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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 8-Aug-2019 20:01 Message #4747983
This is what was just reported on Channel 5 News as a police officer has been badly injured as a result of a machete attack.

Boris Johnson said he is pumping 8 Billion into restoring the police even though it is denied that the rise in crime is related to reduction of police. Budget cuts have meant police officer numbers declining by over 20,000 since the Conservatives got to power in 2010.

In 2018, the National Audit Office reported that they felt ministers at that time did not realise the impact of the cuts imposed and in 2017 Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC) uncovered a range of “dangerous” and “disturbing” practices that have arisen out of police forces’ approach to dealing with budget cuts in excess of 20% such as unqualified constables being used to deal with areas of crime they had no experience in.

Separately, as I come home from work, I read in the local paper the heading "Thieves' licence to law-break" where a former magistrate said the shortage of police have created a "thieves charter" where culprits know there are no resources to bother catching them.

A patient who is a manager at a Home Bargains say thieves now blatantly steal in full view knowing no one will come to their assistance. In fact a police officer who came to my home confirmed, due to lack of resources, they do not even attend such a report at all.

I am motivated to post this for your experiences and opinions because I used my dashcam recently to report 3 motorcyclists, masked and threatening to the police, to which they said they can no longer respond to even try to catch them.

In the name of austerity, do you think these cuts were a good thing to save money?
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Kallone_1  Female  Devon 8-Aug-2019 20:11 Message #4747988
I’m lucky to live in a low crime area but I still see the changes over the years. You could probably pick on any issue surrounding the police and crime and blame any number of these for rising crime but to me there is one big issue which starts in schools and then teens and then into adulthood. That is the change in society. The big change is how society has evolved to be less caring, more selfish and completely lacking in respect for everyone.
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mancers  Male  Greater Manchester 8-Aug-2019 20:11 Message #4747989
The lack of prospects for school leavers, they have been stripped of their youth clubs apprenticeships their is only menial work for the majority and no prospect, the government made it happen.
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tumbled  Male  Gloucestershire 8-Aug-2019 20:12 Message #4747990
Bloody 40 years.....free market.....Thatcher.....
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Kallone_1  Female  Devon 8-Aug-2019 20:14 Message #4747991
Governments have definitely played their part with their extreme left wing and right wing politicians caring about nobody other than themselves.
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Free_Spirit  Male  the West Midlands 8-Aug-2019 20:47 Message #4748002
Tell me Kallone, when has Great Britain ever had what could be called an "extreme Left wing Government"?

Ally
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Beach  Male  Dorset 8-Aug-2019 21:24 Message #4748011
Good to see you, Ally.

I've been thinking of you quite a bit over the last few weeks on here because you always used to presented your political outlook with class, well considered paragraphs, researched content and with respect for everyone, no matter their political leaning.

One or two political animals currently bulldozing their own points of view through these rooms could learn a great deal from you ... if they even had the eyes to see or ears to listen.

Beach
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Witheflow  Male  North Yorkshire 8-Aug-2019 21:56 Message #4748015
I guess it depends on extreme subjectively Free_Spirit. Extreme to the proleteriat, would be the opposite to the wealthy. Having to pay more Taxation to the Society they profit from, would be horrendous to them. I suspect the most extrme Socialist Government was the Wilson era. The top rate of income tax under Labour in the mid-Seventies was 83pc (or as much as 98pc on certain categories of “unearned income”). This didn't go down well with the greedy. I guess it's all subjective to what part of the social strata your sat on
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Cautious1954  Female  Berkshire 8-Aug-2019 23:24 Message #4748028
Society has changed out of all recognition and it’s the same across the world not just in the U.K. Sometimes progress is not such a good thing.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 9-Aug-2019 12:15 Message #4748080
Kallone_1

I get where you're coming from on selfishness and problems starting in schools and parenting but I think teachers are exasperated into training children when they are no longer allowed to reprimand, though I'm not condoning corporal punishment.

Thinking about it, it seems a shift to "me, me, me" where it's normal to fight to the front of a queue. The not so metaphorical treading on toes.

I think my mum was too much the other way as I was always told to go to the back of a queue and share anything I had with those who didn't have. People outside the family came first.

Ok, she was over the top but society seems to have lost its balance where winning matters more than taking part.

I wonder, on the crime issue, whether more thefts are due to desperation of having no money to eat but I doubt this accounts for more organised crimes.
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brisinger  Male  Lancashire 9-Aug-2019 12:30 Message #4748084
I think that to an extent there's a feeling of hopelessness for school leavers in getting a job, certainly one that provides a reasonable income, that creates a culture of crime which spirals out of control.
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Templar2013  Male  South East London 9-Aug-2019 12:45 Message #4748089
Society has changed and there could be numerouseasons why crime is as it is. Probably a little bit of many reasons.

People have lost respect for the law and for their fellow man.
Criminals no longer feel any shame at being caught and often advertise their time in prison or 'tag' as a badge of honour.
Many people are better off on benefits so don't want to accept a low paid job which gives more opportunities for crime.
Drugs are much cheaper and more easily available and drug dealing an easy source of income.

The days when anyone wanted to get out of bed at 6am and cycle 10 miles to work are long gone. Society has evolved. We have high expectations and an unreasonable sense of entitlement and if it doesn't come to us we can't be bothered to make an effort.
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Beach  Male  Dorset 9-Aug-2019 15:32 Message #4748113
One reason people have lost respect for the law is because they see policemen dancing and riding skateboards with Extinction Rebellion protesters or dancing, and looking ridiculous doing ring a ring of roses twirls at events like the One Love Manchester concert.

As to the increase in crime overall?

I wonder if it has anything to do with the additional tens, (or hundreds), of thousands of new crimes brought about thanks to online and social media "offences".

I mean calling someone fat, (the new name for it being fat shaming), really does deserve a visit from the boys in blue, doesn't it? ... even though police won't come out to investigate if or when your front door gets jemmied and you lose all your precious portable valuables in some local burglary.

It is rare to see a policemen in my hometown though we used to have a jovial, fat, policemen called Les who used to patrol the town pushing a 1950s black police bike. Today, on a very rare occasion, we might see a Jack the Lad 'Special' policeman once every couple of weeks / months but he's more interested in walking around town with his hands firmly placed in his chest pockets chatting up the girls or just gossiping as if there was nothing else in the world he should be doing.

But hey. Our market town is the best posting any police person (or special), could get as a gig so they are going to be acting that way anyway.

Things weren't that different here 40 years ago though.

I remember attending my first ever proper real party and overhearing someone being a bit paranoid about the amount of weed that everyone was smoking. It was christmas and the town was in the middle of a big freeze due to the weather.

I interjected and just said, "I wouldn't worry too much about the Old Bill because I just saw two of them taking really long run ups and sliding down a 50ft length of ice" that had formed at the rear of a Boots the chemist loading area.

I could have stolen the two police hats that they had neatly placed on the ground at the top of the road but I had more important business to attend to myself!
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 9-Aug-2019 15:45 Message #4748114
Templar,

Yes, many reasons as you say, and I agree there is a loss of respect for the law, but then did criminals of the past respect law?
Could it be that the police themselves earn less respect?
Could it be the reduction in community contact for youths to get to know the police on a friendly basis?

I had a funny experience a few years ago when a patient, who had been a jewel thief, told me how thieves were not the same, that he would never have physically harmed anyone, but then he went on to say how his career choice also ended his marriage. He seemed to be proud and a higher status among thieves in a romantic way, that he was better than the thieves of today.

I'm not sure about people being better off on benefits in avoidance of accepting a low paid job. The suggestion is a bit muddled in that either might not be able to pay their way. It is often not considered what money is going out as opposed to money coming in. It is what we have left that counts.
It is not straightforward, the benefits issue because disability benefits tends to be lumped with unemployment benefits as if it is one and the same, and that all are trying to fiddle the system.

Maybe there are fewer prepared to get up 6am and cycle 10 miles. Maybe there is a greater sense of entitlement, but is that necessarily the fault of the young person when our school system is rigged into a hierarchy of grading everyone academically, where those who don't get to university are seen by many as not worthy of something better?

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Beach  Male  Dorset 9-Aug-2019 16:34 Message #4748122
"thieves were not (all) the same" said JustLyn ... and I'd agree.

There was a well heeled member of our crowd back in the 1980's who I always assumed had been a farmer all his life with the farm, stables and land representing, I thought, an example of a typical West Dorset farming 'dynasty' where farm may have been handed down from father to son, father to son back in the day.

But no. Back in the 60s and 70's, Terry had been ... a cat burglar ... specialising in relieving London's finest of their wealth, belongings and chattels.

The day that Terry fell "quite a way" off of a mansion roof onto spongy wet turf was the day he retired ... quite young!

Thus he bought the farm, stables and land and turned from cat burglar to country gent having never had his collar felt along the way! :-)

He's dead now though I think an ex of mine either owns the place or leases it still as stables.
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 9-Aug-2019 18:47 Message #4748136
I think crime has changed, theres far more crime in rural areas, large pieces of farm machinery being stolen and whole flocks of sheep and herds of cattle. Online scams are no less a crime than the old fashioned doorsteping "salesman" or con artist. There does seem to be more things that are criminalised, but many of them I think should always have been criminal acts, such as coersive control.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 9-Aug-2019 18:57 Message #4748140
WH,

Yes, there are the "county lines" where criminals have found they can exploit vulnerable and naïve teenagers into the drug business. So sad.

You also reminded me about our local National Trust deer park, had a problem for a while with people killing them and stealing for venison.

As bad as the latter is, I am not sure that is a new thing when we look at poaching many years ago, but then the poor were stealing for food and risked getting shot.
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 10-Aug-2019 11:29 Message #4748206
Stealing whole herds and flocks is fairly new, we've had reports of people turning up in the night and emptying fields of sheep or cattle. Everyone who eats meat ought to be concerned about this as you can bet its ending up in food, this isn't the same as somebody coming to the back of a restaurant door with some rabbits thier dog or ferret has caught, this is theft on an industrial scale. Farm machinery, big expensive stuff like tractors, combines, and all the attachments that can go on a tractor are all stolen, then they seem to be either broken up and sold for parts or exported, this is organised crime in the same way that there are organised car thefts to order.

Theres some crimes that we don't see any more, like armed robbery of a wages van, there used to be loads of those.

Vulnerable young people shouldn't be put in the position where they can so easily be recruited, they should be in school or a specialist unit that can help them with their problems not chucked out onto the street because normal schools can't cope with them. Some horrific crimes have been going on for years and nobodies really cared, its been written off as "only a domestic" or "she's a little tart", young girls have been being groomed by men either alone or in groups for years, paedophile rings arn't new, they've been around for years and nobodies really wanted to believe it. Families have grown up with domestic tyrants for years and people have turned a blind eye. Worse to me is the belief still pressent in many that its a class or race issue, its not these things are sadly universal, a middle class spouse is just as likely to be abused as one living in a council house, an upper class child is just as likely to be abused as one living in an ordinary suburban semi. Abusers are very good at presenting a repectable front and 'poor me, I don't know what I did to deserves a child that tells such terrible lies about me'.

Is it a new crime that women are coming forward and complaining about being groped on crowded public transport? It seems to be in the eyes of the media and the law, but its an old story for many women and something thats been hard fought for.
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Witheflow  Male  North Yorkshire 11-Aug-2019 15:05 Message #4748335
Have you ever tried living on benefits Templar? Where have you been for the last ten years? The system is forcing the economic poverty migrants, to take zero hours shelf stacking for peanuts. "Many people are better off on benefits". Better off from what, death? You hold a deceived perception of subsistance brother. People are angry and sick of the game. The rigged game, that plays on blame.

You don't have to take this crap
You don't have to sit back and relax
You can actually try changing it

I know we've always been taught to rely
Upon those in authority
But you never know until you try
How things just might be
If we came together so strongly, yeah

Are you gonna try to make this work
Or spend your days down in the dirt
You see things can change
Yes an' walls come tumbling down

Governments crack and systems fall
Cause unity is powerful
Lights go out
Walls come tumbling down

Yes, they do
Yes, they do
Yes, they do
Yes, they do

The competition is a color TV
We're on still pause with the video machine
That keep you slaves to the H.P., yeah

Until the unity is threatened by
Those who have and who have not
Those who are with and those who are without
And dangle jobs like a donkey's carrot
Until you don't know where you are

Are you gonna get to realize
The class war's real, not mythologized
And like Jericho
Yes, the walls came tumbling down

Governments crack and systems fall
Cause unity is powerful
Lights go out
Walls come tumbling

Down You'll be too weak to fight it
Down
Down Oh, will you deny it?

Are you gonna be threatened by
The public enemies number ten
Those who play the power game
They take the profits, you take the blame
When they tell you there's no rise in pay

Are you gonna try to make this work
Or spend your days down in the dirt
You see things can change
Walls come tumbling down

Governments crack and systems fall
Cause unity is powerful
Lights go out
Walls come tumbling down

Governments crack and systems fall Yes, they do
Cause unity is powerful
Lights go out
Walls come tumbling down (Style Council 1985)
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MrQuiet  Male  Northamptonshire 11-Aug-2019 15:54 Message #4748337
I see your post was singled out for criticism but I believe you have it spot on.

Society has changed and there could be numerouseasons why crime is as it is. Probably a little bit of many reasons.

People have lost respect for the law and for their fellow man.
Criminals no longer feel any shame at being caught and often advertise their time in prison or 'tag' as a badge of honour.
Many people are better off on benefits so don't want to accept a low paid job which gives more opportunities for crime.
Drugs are much cheaper and more easily available and drug dealing an easy source of income.

The days when anyone wanted to get out of bed at 6am and cycle 10 miles to work are long gone. Society has evolved. We have high expectations and an unreasonable sense of entitlement and if it doesn't come to us we can't be bothered to make an effort.


Understanding the truth helps to provide for a better future.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 13-Aug-2019 20:08 Message #4748587
The trouble is Mr Quiet, is that one person's truth is another person's ignorance.

Not sure if I have posted this already as only heard Chris Packham say it on Sunday, but he said people suffer from "Wilful ignorance". I couldn't get over how spot on he was with that term. The words rang in my ears as so apt when we have people who have the audacity to call people liars, not just on what is the truth, but people's actual experience within the system is denied as fake and not really happening.


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