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Archetypes, heroes and cultural icons

Usurped by social influencers and Youtubers

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Beach  Male  Dorset 8-Jun-2019 20:01 Message #4741496
I wonder what visionary Andy Warhol would have made of the 21st century social media scene? Particularly when some latter day classical archetypes, heroes and cultural icons of stage, screen and music, (living or dead), now find themselves reduced to bathing in “15 minutes of fame” if they are lucky or still in favour!

Confronted with a new age where a YouTuber like Pewdie Pie can amass a following of 96 million subscribers broadcasting from his box room of a bedroom, the old fashioned rock star or Hollywood archetype pales into insignificance.

Such numbers, such a following means that Pewdie Pie has a larger viewership than the audiences of the BBC, ITV, SKY, CNN, Fox News or a decent sized country combined, earning Pewdie several £million p.a. via advertising, sponsorship, endorsements and live appearances in the process.

Mind you, some traditional artists do quite well in such an environment. How else might we explain the earning power of 28 yr old Ed Sheeren earning a couple of £million a day thanks to his online Youtube presence with billions of views contributing to making him the hottest and most lucrative live act in all of recorded history?

Pundits claim he’ll be a billionaire inside a year or so.

Today, all you need is uploaded footage of an ugly cat, a goofy accident or a contrived, well rehearsed act of good fortune to go viral on YouTube and, bingo, watch the till ring up those millions.

And in this age where success has little to do with discipline, talent, vision or entrepreneurial excellence, I’m sure its inspiring to comprehend that an obese, intellectually challenged ‘reality star’ like Gemma Collins can headline a TV show like “Strictly” despite having little more to offer humanity other than a screech or a scowl.

And it is not just the famous who feel empowered by their online successes.

The other day, I dismissed an Apple technology customer.

The woman took offence and then hit me with a spiteful stare.

“I’m big on social media”, she informed, “and I’m going to tell everyone how unhelpful you have been to me”.

I laughed, bit my lip but just let her vent, being amused to look over her shoulder at the wall of my reception area … with photos of my press cuttings, images of me winning international awards, shaking hands with Ministers, famous celebrities or other entrepreneurs in national newspaper headlines.

"I’ll stick with my own sort of fame, thank you, missus", I thought, being proud of a celebrity I EARNED by doing something profound and useful for society!

So. Let me ask MSE. Do you share my frustration with the superficial, vacuous nature of this ethereal online world we live in today? OR Is our current digital age built upon foundations of silicon (sand) that has zero chance of being sustainable long term?
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Beach  Male  Dorset 9-Jun-2019 03:36 Message #4741512
Jeez. Sorry …

Forgive me …

How dare I put up a post …

But it is OK.

I'll learn from this …

I'll learn … NEVER … to expect an answer … from such a … (Fill in or use your own words here).
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Beach  Male  Dorset 9-Jun-2019 03:47 Message #4741513
Tut tut, Beach.

Don't be so precious.

it's not your fault this place is so … dead. :-(
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RAACH84  Female  Buckinghamshire 9-Jun-2019 09:48 Message #4741516
Don’t worry Beach you are not the first person here to not attract comments on a post.
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tumbleweed  Male  Gloucestershire 9-Jun-2019 10:11 Message #4741522
I'll post on any old thing, me...

Although I admire real talent, I also have a certain strange 'admiration' for anyone who uses what they have and what is available to them, to raise the roof..

Only the top few percent make anything like the 'big time', in all walks of life...name anything...like top sport people...top business people...top musicians etc etc, and only a few percent make it to the top...the rest are just journeymen ( and women) at best...and most are not even that level...

So for these reality 'stars', and online bloggers and things...the ones who make it are the few percent...They have got there, to the top...whether deserved or not...but they are there...I've got to sort of admire them for that..it is their world, and they have reached the top of their world..and found the riches...The other 99% can only dream of getting there.
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 9-Jun-2019 11:20 Message #4741526
How many of us do you expct to be awake and posting at 3:30 am?

Its all another world to me, MSE is the only social media I do, my pooter has no speakers, its ancient and not all the ports work, but I will stick with it until it until one of us dies as it does what I need it too. I don't have a mobile phone, let alone a smart phone. I honestly don't know what I use a smart phone for, I don't want to look at pictures of peoples dinner which seems to a lot of whats on FB, it seems like an awful lot of money to spend on something that would get so little use, thats assuming of course that my technoklutzness didn't kick in and it would work.

Fame has never been a motivator for me, I like my anonimity, I'd rather be truely loved by a very few than admired by many, people are so fickle I don't see the attraction of being famous.
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Lady  Female  North Yorkshire 9-Jun-2019 13:27 Message #4741532
To be honest, I let it all go over my head.
I’ve never twittered or tweeted or “followed” anyone online and I disregard most of the dross I see posted on social media.
I use the Internet for things that are useful or of interest to me and ignore the rest, unless it entertains or amuses me for a few moments.
I sometimes see odd snippets of news about “celebrities” I’ve never heard of or “Twitter storms” about trivialities and I just roll my eyes and move on - if I started taking notice of it, I may get wound up by the superficiality of it all.
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Orson  Male  Tayside 12-Jun-2019 15:08 Message #4741731
With matters like these the key to peace of mind is to exclude all media. One doesn't really need it at all.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 5-Jul-2019 06:28 Message #4743712
With matters like these the key to peace of mind is to exclude all media. One doesn't really need it at all.

There’s a lot of truth in that.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 5-Jul-2019 08:29 Message #4743722
You should get on twitter or youtube Beach, all the work you put in to your posts on this echo chamber would earn you a pretty penny where there are people...
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Beach  Male  Dorset 5-Jul-2019 19:25 Message #4743778
Thanks for the positive encouragement, Hiero.

I'll be including YouTube videos and embedding them within my personal website when it goes live, possibly, by the end of this year.

As for the effort involved in prepping original posts?

Force of habit, I guess, from the days when there were thousands, (well, probably several hundred individuals) contributing here annually on the forums and tens of thousands (contributing monthly) on MakeFriendsOnline and OKCupid back in the day.

I used to enjoy visiting brand new, (to me), popular forum sites online and used to feel like Captain Kirk arriving in some new star system to investigate the life forms!

And those online life forms used to, seemingly, enjoy whatever novelty my style of writing ever brought them.

And after a while, after posting a dozen or a score 'deep and meaningful' threads for folk to ponder, I'd fire up the warp drive and head off to some new part of the online forum universe.

I'm too old for all that now, Hiero, but yeah, it breaks my heart that this site, a watering hole I've always returned to, (being the first I'd ever known), is no longer quite the hub of activity and life it always used to be.

Although …

Even when it was at its best, there was bitching and grumbling and trolling … just like there is today.

Same old story really.

None of us probably appreciate the things we have in life … until it is too late.

Though … even now, perhaps, some recent, new members might appreciate the site just the way it is and see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 5-Jul-2019 23:05 Message #4743844
Hello, Beach.
I'm in general agreement with your initial statement and pleased to read your "Manifesto" as a starting point for an informed discussion,
One of the matters that concerns me is the source of the income 'earned' by the recipients.
My understanding is that it comes from Advertizers who pay an agreed amount per 'hit' - irrespective of any 'sales' made. I recognize it would be difficult to link the two.
Those who have entered the payer side of the agreement:

1.0 May claim the expenditure free of tax as a legitimate business expense.

2.0 Will pass the expenditure on to the consumer of their product.
And
3.0 Even tho', as a consumer, I don't wish to support the donations to the artiste, won't provide me with a practical +/ viable way I can opt out of doing so.

4.0 Even our wonderful Co-Op doesn't produce everything I might need (Rather than want). And the much-hyped John Lewis (Partnership) is just that, and NOT a Co-Op.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 5-Jul-2019 23:20 Message #4743848
None of us probably appreciate the things we have in life … until it is too late.

Most certainly a pearl of wisdom. If only we could stop moaning and enjoy what we already have.
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Beach  Male  Dorset 7-Jul-2019 11:58 Message #4744055
Paradise, Nirvana, some perfect life or, at the very least, some sense of fulfilment or peace of mind is available to all of us the moment we start to view our world, (or our place within it), in a subtly different light.

Of course; the comprehension of being able to shift one’s perception of the world overnight, (even if one knew what new perception to adopt), is not likely to be a mental manoeuvre that everyone might even wish to consider BUT such an opportunity remains intact and available should anyone have the courage to attempt it.

Though you don’t need a God, a religion, a guru or a therapist to achieve such a change.

And every morning, we have a choice in deciding which side of the bed to get out of.

We can get up feeling chirpy and positive OR we can get up feeling grumpy and negative and the world that then greets us, mysteriously, reflects whatever mood we may have dialled in for that day.

Me? I live in paradise.

I swapped my business for a love of the coast. I swapped my deadlines for baited long lines. I swapped my Chairman’s limousine for a stable of electric bikes and I swapped a generous salary for a subsistence, day by day ,existence.

I don’t have a full time partner. I don’t have many material chattels and I haven’t got much of a pension but what I have got is, absolutely, EVERYTHING I need to enjoy the beautiful simplicity of my own existence.

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Beach  Male  Dorset 7-Jul-2019 12:15 Message #4744059
And that's the thing about wealth. (And, partly, the theme of my original post).

Whether someone has old wealth or new wealth, (or the sort of wealth or fame outlined in this post), the whole business of leading some life full in the spotlight of publicity, actually takes more from life than it gives.

What future are we sowing where the simple act of appearing on a television, (or YouTube channel), transforms people into thinly veneered parodies of themselves?

Thinly veneered parodies that then get diluted further inside the lives of those who would, none the less, see such celebrated folk as role models to aspire to emulate.

The recent suicides associated with Love Island begins to show us the true reality of the Reality Star.

A life where, like some hatching mayfly, a person experiences adulation or celebrity for mere weeks or months after appearing in a reality show … before, all too soon, plunging back down to earth to be swallowed by a swollen torrent of indifference, being, no longer, a celebrated object of attention.


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