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SO THE TALKS BROKE DOWN

But not forever

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Victoriana11  Female  Buckinghamshire 28-Feb-2019 08:56 Message #4736281
I would like to have been a fly on the wall at the meeting between Trump & KJ. I think it would have been quite interesting. I expect they were both treading on eggshells.
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tsunamiwarrior  Male  Hertfordshire 28-Feb-2019 09:10 Message #4736283
It's a strange part of the world where no-one really knows what the other is likely to say or do. At least Trump has been making an effort but I get the feeling if he was to broker peace throughout the world the media would still crucify him.
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terry  Male  West Yorkshire 28-Feb-2019 09:44 Message #4736286
This confuses me. I dislike Trump, but in fairness he's a businessman and one of the main assets for such is the ability to negotiate so in a way, perhaps he's the perfect man for the job? as for the fly on the wall, the cynic in me and my irrational dislike of both men makes me think they will have been dividing the world up to who can have what...bit like a children's game. I hope I'm wrong.
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 28-Feb-2019 11:16 Message #4736297
I though Kim looked very uncomfortable and Trump angry. I'm not surprised the talks broke down, I think America was asking for to much. Kim's afraid that if he gives up all his nukes then he'll go the way of Gadaffi and others who've been international pariah's, he maybe crazy and have been brought up to believe he has semi divine status, but he's not stupid.
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Victoriana11  Female  Buckinghamshire 28-Feb-2019 11:30 Message #4736299
I neither like nor dislike Trump, but as you say Terry, he is a business man, and of course, what he is doing for the US economy has certainly improved things for his country.

Its a very 'dodgy' part of the world, I am so thankful, we dont live over there.

I dont think the talks have broken down with anger and hostility, I think its a bit of play-acting on both sides at the moment. Each is testing the other.

I do think that Kim is worried about his credibility, after all N Korea is a small country, with great powers but the US is greater and would be a formidable enemy.

I was amazed to see all the bodyguards on TV earlier today - then my thoughts went to "What does all this cost" and "is this why KJ's people have have had to eat grass and sometimes live in terrible conditions"
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Jeff  Male  East Sussex 28-Feb-2019 20:21 Message #4736329
Rather than liking or disliking a person, I consider what they say and do.

Over the years I suspect that we have all seen many documentaries about the horrific way North Korea is run, and I believe them to be reliable. Occasionally I have looked at North Korean official websites, and their praise of the Kim dynasty confirms the character of the regime.

Donald Trump has told literally thousands of lies. These are often seen on videos of him talking, not media inventions.
He is against evidence and scientific investigations. His policies greatly benefit the wealthy, and are detrimental to the poor.
He doesn't care about the environment, he abuses his office, he is hypocritical, a bully, and so on.

As for him being a "businessman", he avoided paying tax, and declared bankruptcy 4 times ("I used the law four times and made a tremendous thing. I'm in business. I did a very good job.") Never mind the thousands of people who suffered a lot financially thanks to him. His bankruptcies were huge: Trump Taj Mahal Casino (1991, $3 billion in debt and nearly $900 million personal liabilities), Trump Plaza Hotel (1992, $550 million debt), other casinos (2004, $1.8 billion debt), Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009, $1.2 billion debt).

The Economist for 06-Oct-18 reported "DONALD TRUMP has always said he is a self-made billionaire. The president insists that the only financial help he got from his father Fred, a New York City developer, was a $1m loan, which he repaid. An investigation by the New York Times (NYT), published this week, concludes that he actually received fifty times that amount, that it was not repaid, and that many of the transfers were dodgy.
The newspaper examined more than 100,000 pages of documents, including financial-disclosure reports and bank statements (but not the president’s tax returns, which he refuses to make public). In the 1990s, it says, Mr Trump took part in “dubious” tax schemes which included instances of “outright fraud”. It concludes that he “appropriated his father’s entire empire as his own”."
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With regard to Trump's approach to North Korea:-
- On 08-Aug-17 Trump said "North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen." I think that was fair enough as a deterrent.
- On 30-Nov-17 Trump called Kim "Little Rocket Man". I think that Trump was taking too big a risk of catastrophe.
- It could be argued that the 2 meetings between Trump and Kim should have had a lot of diplomatic preparation, and between the meetings a lot of detailed follow-up. Although that is the usual procedure, I was prepared to give Trump the benefit of the doubt as to the best method, bearing in mind the nature of North Korea's leader and his threats.
- Trump has repeatedly called Kim his "friend" and a "great leader" and greeted him warmly. I don't criticise those lies, because they might be necessary for denuclearisation of North Korea which is so important. For a change, Trump's purposes are excellent here.

Their latest meeting ended on bad terms, as indicated by its unexpected ending and the meal laid out and not eaten. I hope that it was just a negotiating tactic, and a pathway to denuclearisation in exchange for lifting of sanctions can be found. Although neither Trump nor Kim can be trusted, perhaps other nations can help in this.
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OnlineMSE  Male  Essex 28-Feb-2019 21:37 Message #4736339
It's all playing to the crowd.
Trumpy loves the drama of it all, and he'll spin these shenanigans out as long as possible.
Regardless of what Kim agrees or doesn't won't be known by the population of NK as they'll never be allowed to see or hear what is actually going on outside of their borders.
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RAACH84  Female  Buckinghamshire 28-Feb-2019 21:49 Message #4736340
A very dodgy part of the world Victoriana. No-one has had much luck before so Trump can’t do much worse than those before him and at least he gets into talks. I’m not surprised so many Americans like him as they appreciate different traits to those we admire in the u k.
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 6-Mar-2019 18:59 Message #4736542
America won't lift all sanctions. KJ wisely will not surrender complete nuclear disarmament. I think America's reputation precedes it, it will never attack a nuclear armed country, and KJ is sure to be aware of this.

Trump will have some hard bargaining. I'm sure China would also find a US presence in N. Korea very unwelcome. As would Russia, which also borders (if only a short border) N. Korea. A coup for Trump here if he can get a footing in N. Korea.


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