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1in 7 chance of a heart attack

in next 10 years

Female
Aely  Female  Hampshire 28-Aug-2018 20:35 Message #4724387
And that's just from cholesterol!

I got the results of my latest blood test today. Overall it isn't too bad, (about 5.4), it has been a lot worse, but the proportion of bad to good cholesterol is high. However, I have decided that I will take the risk as higher doses of simvastatin badly affect my mobility. I have been tried on a couple of different, supposedly stronger, drugs including Atorvastatin but the side effects were even worse. One made me feel like my feet were nailed to the ground and the other not only gave me a bad stomach but both my weight and blood cholesterol level went up!

I was looking online to see what I could do to increase the good cholesterol, to improve the ratio but it wasn't very helpful. Olive oil, avocados, kidney beans, walnuts, salmon are all recommended, none of which I like. I will go further, all of which I positively dislike. Ok, I found fresh walnuts a few days off the tree quite acceptable when I was 14 and my sister's French pen friend brought a bag from her Granny's garden but I haven't come across any since. I dislike salmon but I eat trout, mackerel, herring and occasionally open a tin of sardines, all of which count in the oily fish league.

The recommended oatmeal, wholemeal bread and beans (all for fibre) already feature quite prominently in my diet. I use a butter/oil spread. I cook with Sunflower oil. Rapeseed if I can get it. I buy semi-skinned milk. I rarely eat red meat.

Losing excess weight is also recommended. My doctor referred to me a slim when I last saw her. I wouldn't go that far although I guess in comparison to a lot of Brits I may appear so.

Excercise is also key, including weightlifting as muscle growth uses up cholesterol. I have lazy days, I must admit, especially in the winter when bad weather keeps me fairly house bound but this summer, in spite of "moderate to severe damage" to my right hip and the after effects of two frozen shoulders and a missing disc in my neck I have been carting buckets of water downstairs from the bath to my garden, walking to my allotment then spending a couple of hours carting more water, digging, etc before walking home again carrying the produce, on the days when I wasn't walking my feet sore doing the shopping.

I have even got a bit of weight lifting. To make room for the front porch I am having built next month I have been remodelling my front garden, relocating a flower bed, digging out the mixture of sand, grit stones and concrete dust which masquerades as soil here and replacing it from bags of topsoil and compost plus relocating concrete flagstones. So I think I have the excercise bit covered.

The only other thing on the list is STOP SMOKING. I haven't managed that but smoke 7 or 8 roll-ups a day. I count them. Not perfect but better than the 25 factory ciggies I was on a few years ago.

Does anybody else here have a cholesterol problem in spite of their best efforts to control it? Are you worried?
Female
Ilsmileforu  Female  Durham 28-Aug-2018 21:00 Message #4724392
I have a cholesterol problem, but it is not as high as my sister's,she tested 10 at her last test.
I have never smoked, not a heavy drinker, been a veggie for a lot of years, so not a high fat diet.
I have always had a job where I did a lot of walking for 28 years
The Consultant is giving me a Genetic test, as he thinks as I have 3 sisters with high cholesterol, some with angina, some with diabetes, he suspects its Genetic. He says it is not my lifestyle.
Female
Ilsmileforu  Female  Durham 28-Aug-2018 21:07 Message #4724394
My sister was tested for Familial hypercholesterolaemia, which is a Genetic disorder.
It produces high LDL (bad cholesterol) which causes early cardiovascular diseases.
Her test came back negative.
Female
rosemarysteel  Female  East Anglia 28-Aug-2018 21:26 Message #4724398
Really like your post. Stop worrying about the chlosterols they are the latest way of putting you on the latest drug. You sound the sanest, water responsible person I have herd in a long while. Thank heavens for people like you. Worry affects your digestion but digestion is not just what you put in your mouth. You digest ideas relationships, information, e oerienced and anything which is difficult to digest gets stuck in the digestive process thus interropts the natural flow of things regardless of fibre taken. The metaphor had a gutful of anthing or anybody says a lot.
Female
rosemarysteel  Female  East Anglia 28-Aug-2018 21:26 Message #4724399
Really like your post. Stop worrying about the chlosterols they are the latest way of putting you on the latest drug. You sound the sanest, water responsible person I have herd in a long while. Thank heavens for people like you. Worry affects your digestion but digestion is not just what you put in your mouth. You digest ideas relationships, information, e oerienced and anything which is difficult to digest gets stuck in the digestive process thus interropts the natural flow of things regardless of fibre taken. The metaphor had a gutful of anthing or anybody says a lot.
Female
Minnie-the-Minx  Female  Hertfordshire 28-Aug-2018 21:40 Message #4724402
I reckon I have a 1 in 7 chance of a heart attack every time that I log onto MSE, and that's just the PMs from the twenty somethings and what they would like to do to an old biddie like me.
Male
RumBassiousPenguin  Male  Essex 28-Aug-2018 21:58 Message #4724403
Oh - no £210 million from Nigerian princesses? I'd settle for £2.28.
Female
Aely  Female  Hampshire 28-Aug-2018 22:03 Message #4724404
At least you get PM's Minnie. I'm too old for even the scammers to bother with I think.

And I can't send any either!
Male
petergarratt  Male  Cambridgeshire 28-Aug-2018 22:08 Message #4724406
like it;
Spam.
Male
fosy  Male  Leicestershire 28-Aug-2018 22:52 Message #4724413
a problem with having a transplant is that the cholesterol goes high, so automatically, post op, they put you on statins, but i came off them due to side effects.
over the last year i have cut out food i didnt need mon-fri [eg, dinner is just one cob, not two and a packet of crisps], but i still eat well at teatime [tonight it was 10 fishfingers and salad] and the result is i have lost 10kg.
weekends are for lashings of high fat foods...doner kebab, chinky, burgers etc, i always buy out cos i refuse to cook.

after all this, my cholesterol as of june is 4.3 which my specialist is surprised about, but i do feel lucky not having to watch my cholesterol.
Male
tumbleweed  Male  Gloucestershire 29-Aug-2018 00:04 Message #4724416
Part of me suffers from 'I'm going to die today itis', but when I don't, I think 'phew', but then the 'itis' comes on again soon.

Tonight, I have a bit of a pain in the chest, probably just high up wind or something, it's not too bad, but brings the 'itis' thoughts a bit again.

Cholesterol is ok thanks to the statin, and the other heart stuff is kept in some sort of control with all the other pills, although some unfortunate incidents involving a couple of violent neighbours last week had my blood pressure up to 165/100 and heartbeat 91, although it has calmed back down now. One of the mentalists has been detained in the cells for the time being. I am pretty glad about that. I have a feeling some drugs were involved.
Male
MrQuiet  Male  Northamptonshire 29-Aug-2018 08:12 Message #4724439
It seems almost everyone is on statins these days.
Female
Ilsmileforu  Female  Durham 29-Aug-2018 11:53 Message #4724457
I was talking to the nurse yesterday about statins, I mentioned the Consultant wanted to put me on them, even though I had a bad reaction on them last time.
She because you are only on two tablets, they think if you have certain problems, you should be on more tablets than you.
Now I know where they get their research results from.

Male
oldboy61  Male  South East London 29-Aug-2018 15:39 Message #4724463
well not been funny but I hand a heart attack 11 years ago my kids came in from school and found me collapsed on the floor. I got 5 stents put in and I’m on a few tablets a day and one of them is a Statin and I’ve no complaints. I’m 61 years old and still working as a painter and decorator.
Male
SandyBeach  Male  Lincolnshire 31-Aug-2018 15:30 Message #4724619
I had a heart attack 12 years ago this October. On four tablets a day - aspirin, atenelol, ramipril and simvastatin.

Not supposed to eat this, that or the other, but I still do, in moderation. I love egg, bacon and sausage etc., but not supposed to eat sausages!

No idea what my cholesterol level is, for some reason the GP practice doesn't tell us anymore. They take a blood sample, and simply say if we don't ring you everything is OK.
No fasting the night before, no wee test, no going to see the nurse a week later for a chat. So I have no idea.

In answer to your last sentence - no I am not worried. I'm alive!
Female
Clocky  Female  the West Midlands 31-Aug-2018 15:57 Message #4724620
There are some fantastic food documentaries on Netflix about using food to help you heal yourself ... im not talking about coconut fat and other fads. Its pretty fascinating stuff.
Ive got 1:3 chance of having thyroid cancer ...waiting for the biopsy appointment to get the final outcome so fingers crossed here :)
I have halved my excess weight this year by cutting out all sugars ... except in coffee... after listening to the audiobook The Obesity Code. I didnt deliberately take on the advice given, i just understood the method better and having already tried various diet clubs and such like without getting anywhere, im pleasantly surprised at the outcome.
Always a researcher ... i thought this link might be of interest to some of you ...

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/weight-loss-breakfast-dinner-timings-later-earlier-study-surrey-a8512846.html?amp

Its about the timeframe you eat within.

There is also a lot of research out there about eating advice given to.patients by the medical profession being incorrect and sponsored by those who have an agenda to push.
Female
nellieredshoes  Female  West Yorkshire 31-Aug-2018 18:29 Message #4724636
That’s a 6/7 chance of not having a heart attack. You are still much less likely not to have a heart attack than to have one.

Stay positive and enjoy your life. X
Female
JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 1-Sep-2018 19:22 Message #4724705
What irritates me about statins and prescribers, guidelines and drug companies, is that they "recommend" often 80mg of whatever.

I have found as a practice nurse (Masters level module at Warwick Medical School) is that for example, 10mg atrovastatin can have sufficient results and I like to start low, least likely to have side effects, and every time the does is doubled, data showed you only get "up to 6% potential improvement".

I've seen so many people come off statins because they were banged on the highest dose without trying the lowest dose first.

I see many diabetics who have stopped taking 40-80mg simvastatin because they believed it was causing pain, yet 10mg atorvastatin got their total cholesterol under 4.

An interesting story by one the lecturer's was a guy with a total chol of 9. In the summer it went down to 4 with no treatment, then went back up in the winter. He cycled to and from work in the summer only.


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