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keir Starmer's first

PMQ's

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Beach  Male  Dorset
28-May-2020 12:53 Message #4781361
Under Corbyn's leadership, Labour was like a blocked sewer ensuring most folk were put off by a rank odour and questionable things popping up to float in the toilet bowl but now, under Starmer, Labour has the aroma of an organisation that has performed a refreshing deep clean to rid itself of its former polluting influence.

Well done, Sir Kier.
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NoSaint  Female  Devon
28-May-2020 13:56 Message #4781365
I think the far left would rather put up with the stink than support a more popular leader.
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LadyVera  Female  Cumbria
3-Jun-2020 15:54 Message #4782019
PMQs. I like Keir Starmer and I like the way he speaks and explains himself but today on PMQs he has done nothing to improve on the blandness he portrayed in the first PMQs and I was hoping and praying that he would be impressive and at least put Johnson on the back foot but it never happened.
Starmer came across as a level headed lawyer and I feel sure he would have looked better arguing in a courtroom but he does nothing to impress in Parliament. I listened to the programme and then went back later to watch the videos of it but I'm a bit disappointed.
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Maglorian  Male  North Yorkshire
3-Jun-2020 19:38 Message #4782032
Today at Prime Minister's Questions Keir Starmer asked Boris Johnson about the Health Secretary Matt Hancock getting himself rebuked by the UK Statistics Authority over his brazen and repeated misuse of statistics.

The UK statistics regulator yesterday outright accused the Tory government of inflating the number of coronavirus tests, even at the expense of public understanding.

Johnson's response to this question was absolutely ludicrous, and staggeringly misleading, even by the lamentable standards of his evasive and dishonest Tory predecessors over the last decade.

He started off by characterising Starmer's question as an "attack on public trust and confidence", when it's obviously the repeated Tory misuse of statistics that's undermining public trust and confidence, not the people pointing this out.

Then Johnson started bragging about the 100,000 tests a day target at the beginning of May, as if the government had actually met it, rather than faking success by blatantly double-counting tests, falsely counting tens of thousands of tests sent out in the mail as "completed", and misleadingly altering the target from "people tested", to tests carried out.

In response to concerns about the misuse of statistics in order to make the government's record look better than it is, Johnson stood there and deliberately misused statistics to burnish the government's lamentable record!

His response to the question was to do exactly what the question accused him and his government of doing!

But it's the earlier reality-reversal that really rankles. The idea that anyone criticising the government is guilty of criticising Britain, and the British people.

And the idea that pointing out that the government has been condemned for misusing statistics is what's causing public confusion and mistrust, rather than the government's misuse of statistics.

Imagine if someone criticised the fact that I'd worded something confusingly, and my response took the form of 'you can't criticise me, because I was born in Britain, so criticising me is criticising Britain and the British people, which makes you a traitor!" followed by a ridiculous blame-shifting assertion that them pointing out the error is what's responsible for the confusion, not the error itself.

You'd think what the absolute bobbins is this guy going on about? He's completely lost the plot!

But Johnson behaves like this and people just doff their caps and pretend that he's made a good point!

The BBC played Johnson's ludicrous retort in full, as if it wasn't a load of blustering idiocy, and even described it as him "hitting back" against Starmer's criticism!

The BBC would obviously try to argue that they can't correctly describe what Johnson did as "deceptive gibbering" because of impartiality. But impartiality would also prevent them from describing this absurdly incoherent nonsense as "hitting back", if they were going to be faithful to the reality of what actually happened, rather than presenting Johnson's cognitively illiterate and belligerently deceptive nonsense as some kind of successful response.

You wouldn't tolerate this kind of dishonest and irrational blame-shifting drivel from a small child, yet the Prime Minister of our country does it and it isn't just tolerated, it's dressed up as some kind of fantastic intellectual counter-attack!
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex
3-Jun-2020 21:39 Message #4782042
Johnson is completely hopeless. He will hide behind bluff and bluster, and disengeneous …. chatter. He could even be described as frivolous.

It's interesting, even amusing, to listen to him trying to 'talk' and receiving a mixture of dubious scepticism or even suspicion, in what he is trying to say, esp. when asked a question he cannot or doesn't want to answer.
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex
3-Jun-2020 22:15 Message #4782045
That should be flippant. Not frivolous.

Regardless of PMQs I'm sure there will be an official inquiry into the handling of the pandemic. In view of the death figures, now reaching 40,000, and still on 3 figures each day, despite their insistence on it going down, some serious questions need to be asked, if only for the bereaved families of those that have died.
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NoSaint  Female  Devon
3-Jun-2020 23:13 Message #4782047
.Maglorian, AvitoDauphine, Wandering4Fun, Witheflow, withgoodintent, to use just a few of your names, you cannot escape your neo liberal cabal by pretending to have socialist ideals and pretending to care about others and pretending to want to help the poor. You really nasty piece of work.
You mock council house tenants? You laugh at littered communities? You make racist comments? You make snide homophobic remarks? You hate seeing the poor being helped and attack every thread where caring people try to help others. The use of fake images, verbal insults to “non-agreers”, multi profiles including a female one with access to the “ladies” room.
The only contribution you have made to the forum is reviving all the excellent votes which float around whenever one of the abhorrent trolls makes an unwelcome appearance.


The glorious abhorrent cabal of one man and his aliases appears to spout his nonsense again.
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NoSaint  Female  Devon
3-Jun-2020 23:13 Message #4782048
.Maglorian, AvitoDauphine, Wandering4Fun, Witheflow, withgoodintent, to use just a few of your names, you cannot escape your neo liberal cabal by pretending to have socialist ideals and pretending to care about others and pretending to want to help the poor. You really nasty piece of work.
You mock council house tenants? You laugh at littered communities? You make racist comments? You make snide homophobic remarks? You hate seeing the poor being helped and attack every thread where caring people try to help others. The use of fake images, verbal insults to “non-agreers”, multi profiles including a female one with access to the “ladies” room.
The only contribution you have made to the forum is reviving all the excellent votes which float around whenever one of the abhorrent trolls makes an unwelcome appearance.


The glorious abhorrent cabal of one man and his aliases appears to spout his nonsense again.
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MrQuiet  Male  Northamptonshire
3-Jun-2020 23:18 Message #4782049
Starmer is struggling against Johnson due to his inexperience. Johnson appeared to have all the answers today but the questions were too easy.
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Maglorian  Male  North Yorkshire
17-Jun-2020 17:22 Message #4783945
The Liars bar

Boris Johnson just stood up in parliament and lied through his teeth, again.

Keir Starmer had pointed out that child poverty has risen by 600,000 since 2012, and that the Social Mobility Commission are projecting another dramatic rise in child poverty over the coming years.

Johnson then pretended that the 600,000 increase hasn't happened, glibly dismissing it as an "anticipated rise" rather than something that's already happened.

This is just plain wrong. The Social Mobility Commission found that child poverty has increased by 600,000, and insisted that the government "should be more proactive in addressing poverty overall".

It's absolutely outrageous that one Tory Prime Minister after another has stood up at Prime Minister's Questions and told barefaced lies to the House of Commons, and the British public.

If there was any respect for truth and integrity within the Westminster political establishment, then liars would be compelled to appear before parliament to apologise for misleading the house, and to set the record straight.

The fact that this kind of official correction of the record never happens, is one of the significant causal factors in why we're in such a catastrophic mess as a country.

What else do we expect when the ruling class are allowed to just get away with continually lying to their own advantage?

If a corporate chief executive, charity boss, civil servant, or just an ordinary working person was caught lying about their work, literally on a daily basis, they'd be fired.

But the political establishment class live by an entirely different set of rules to the rest of us (as conclusively proven by the free pass Dominic Cummings got, after ignoring all the self-isolation and lockdown rules).

Given that the Tories have been allowed to behave so dishonestly over the course of an entire decade, with no negative repercussions for any of their lies, wasn't it obvious that we'd eventually end up with one of the most egregious liars in the entire country as Prime Minister? Welcome to the liars bar
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire
17-Jun-2020 18:33 Message #4783947
Starmer is struggling with Johnson?

Now that is funny.
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Greencare  Female  Berkshire
17-Jun-2020 18:36 Message #4783949
Starmer did struggle today in PMQs. I'm a fan of Starmer and had big hopes for him but however good he is as a leader he does not fare well in this arena.
From today's performance most viewers will only remember that he was asked the same question a number of times, four I think, and he could not or would not give an answer.
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NoSaint  Female  Devon
17-Jun-2020 18:41 Message #4783950
.Maglorian, AvitoDauphine, Wandering4Fun, Witheflow, withgoodintent, to use just a few of your names, you cannot escape your neo liberal cabal by pretending to have socialist ideals and pretending to care about others and pretending to want to help the poor. You really nasty piece of work.
You mock council house tenants? You laugh at littered communities? You make racist comments? You make snide homophobic remarks? You hate seeing the poor being helped and attack every thread where caring people try to help others. The use of fake images, verbal insults to “non-agreers”, multi profiles including a female one with access to the “ladies” room.
The only contribution you have made to the forum is reviving all the excellent votes which float around whenever one of the abhorrent trolls makes an unwelcome appearance.


Mse could be the liars bar for the duplicitous Maglorian Cabal. The most deceptive character in all his/her many guises.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire
17-Jun-2020 19:28 Message #4783955
Maglorian,

Excellent representation. I'm amazed if people aren't seeing through their Brexit option now. Even more soap opera.

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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire
17-Jun-2020 21:34 Message #4783966
Mse could be the liars bar for the duplicitous Maglorian Cabal. The most deceptive character in all his/her many guises.

Please don't upset JustLyn.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire
17-Jun-2020 21:36 Message #4783967
Starmer did struggle today in PMQs. I'm a fan of Starmer and had big hopes for him but however good he is as a leader he does not fare well in this arena.
From today's performance most viewers will only remember that he was asked the same question a number of times, four I think, and he could not or would not give an answer.


He did struggle today but the unions had ordered Starmer not to answer the question so he had no alternative but to obey. It does not fare well for the future.
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Maglorian  Male  North Yorkshire
17-Jun-2020 22:15 Message #4783969
Thank you Lyn.

Hopefully people will see through the smoke and mirrors of Brexit and the establishments intended version. But Brexit has become a cult, with belief and obsession and identity attached. The psychi will defend to it's inevitable breakdown, wrong from right. Many are now seeing the lies and the tide is changing. But it's going to get ugly before it becomes beautiful again. I suppose it's like lancing a boil. All the angry poison expells, before it begins to heal.
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Wandering4fun  Male  North Yorkshire
17-Jun-2020 22:45 Message #4783971
He did struggle today but the unions had ordered Starmer not to answer the question so he had no alternative but to obey. It does not fare well for the future.

Starmer is out of his comfort zone in PMQs but he will improve with time. However he will not improve or gain any respect if he blindly obeys the unions insteàd of standing up for himself.
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Nigel_In_Devon  Male  Devon
19-Jun-2020 22:03 Message #4784155
H.O.W... "Mse could be the liars bar for the duplicitous Maglorian Cabal"

Yawn! Is this guff still going on?

Not been on for a while, doesn't look as if I have missed much though :-(
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fosy  Male  Leicestershire
19-Jun-2020 22:48 Message #4784156
"Many are now seeing the lies and the tide is changing."

what a load of bollox....the truth is most just want to get on with brexit .
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire
19-Jun-2020 23:13 Message #4784159
Still going Nigel. The Maglorian cabal is blocked by many and ignored by many more but we still get an occasional rant which brings the forum down to his miserable level for a few days. Lately it has been a happy place so hang around.
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Nigel_In_Devon  Male  Devon
20-Jun-2020 15:00 Message #4784214
Actually Hottie, on this occasion I was referring to your comment about the cabal. I do feel it's about time everyone from all sides got over this cabal nonsense.

Take care all.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire
20-Jun-2020 16:47 Message #4784219
I appreciate the mention Nigel but I can't take credit for the comment although I did include a c&p of the comment on my post.
The cabal nonsense has moved full circle. It was an expression used by a troll and he used it to refer to the mse members. Now it is an expression used to refer to the numerous aliases used by the troll.

Irony.


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