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Election Campaign 2019

Highlights 30th October

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The_Jewess_Rebecca  Female  Herefordshire 10-Nov-2019 18:04 Message #4762092
Totally agree, Terry, but I do think that if people are going to be asked to do things differently, it's the responsibility of Government to make the right choices the easier choices. I'm personally not in favour of hiking parking charges or the cost of driving while there are no feasible alternatives. If we don't have any choice but to drive, we are going to drive and this hits poorer households hardest.

The Beeching cuts were clever because without the branch network the railways were no longer competition for the car. The justification was that the branch lines weren't paying for themselves which was partly true but they were an essential and integral part of the whole network which was once profitable until the Conservatives started setting it up to fail, like they're now doing with the NHS. Much of the early motorway network was built by Marples Ridgeway and who was the Minister for Transport lining up the decimation of the railways but Ernest Marples. Some things don't change.

Factoid: Dr Beeching was an ICI executive and had no connection with railways or transport planning. It was a politically motivated hatchet job and probably the worst thing the Tories have ever done, but then they haven't finished with the NHS yet.
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 10-Nov-2019 18:27 Message #4762093
Today 10th November, the 2 main parties are arguing about spending plans.

Labour had Andrew Gynne MP, shouting at and over Andrew Marr.
While Conservative Javid, spoke with more control.

Both managed to avoid answering questions!

The quiet politicians, must be quite a few of these.

Obviously we are not seeing much of Diane Abbot and Emily Thornberry.
Also disgraced MP Jacob Rees Mogg is now being kept out of the spotlight.
Anyone notice any others?
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 10-Nov-2019 18:41 Message #4762094
As a driver and a non cyclist, I find the assumption that I'm at fault if involved in an accident with a cyclist really insulting and unjust. The cyclist can be a total feckwit riding an unsafe bike in a reckless fashion, earbuds in, head down, not looking where they're going often travelling faster than the surrounding traffic and taking no notice of things like traffic lights. If we're going to automatically assume that drivers are at fault then the cyclists should have to have some kid of test, at least the written part of the driving test, some kind of MOT on their bikes, 3rd party insurance and greater penalties under the law for breaking those things. Putting cyclists and pedestrians together is'nt always a good idea either, pedestrians often don't feel safe with bikes whizing around them and sometimes they're right not to feel safe, cyclist travelling at similar speeds to motorised traffic are dangerous to small children, the elderly and animals, a line on the pavement isn't enough. Here where we get lots of tourism and many places to walk, with or without dogs to ride horses or cycle slowly, teach your children to ride and explore nature are imperilled by reckless packs of cyclists, who literally bully others out of the way, we've had injured animals, both dogs and horses and people too. I'm amazed that no cyclist has been injured by a horse, the way they whizz past them, all it needs is one flailling hoof and you've got a serious injury. I realise there are many responsible cyclists for whom this behaviour is totally out of order, but what do you suggest to stop these two wheeled hooligans who ruin things for others?

Should mobility scooters be on the road or the pavement, some drivers of these are dangerous to everyone else too, should there be a point at which people should be stopped from using them? Should trains have luggage vans again so as people with scooters, wheelchairs and bikes can travel across country more easily?

How about car tax based on post code, if you live in a rural area where theres little public transport and you live miles from a shop or even small town you pay less than someone who lives in an urban area with good public transport?


The modern fad in thinking. Cyclist = good person does no wrong. Motorist = bad gas guzzler always wrong. A bit like the left/right political judgements we often see.
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terry  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Nov-2019 19:34 Message #4762102
That is so far away from what is actually being said there HotorWot, for one thing you've ignored the point about there being responsible cyclists, you've ignored the point that the poster had been asked to come up with suggestions as to what to do to help save the planet, and finally, it isn't in any way shape or form like the political judgements we often see. Myself, I would have argued for getting rid of the private car, having only a very reduced public transport system and we learn to rely on shanks's pony again. Add to that, I don't think there's anything modern about the idea of cycling as being a better system of transport than the motor car, it's been around so long people frequently refer to it as 'the modern fad in thinking'.

Anyway, apart from that, the poster at least put forward one idea, what would you do to answer the question of declining global resources and reducing global warming? (and that's just two issues facing the planet)
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brisinger  Male  Lancashire 10-Nov-2019 21:57 Message #4762111
Carbon offsetting doesn't necessarily depend on how much energy we use per se but when we use it and where it's produced. It's no good using electric cars powered by electricity from stations using fossil fuels. It's rather a self defeating mechanism. I can directly take solar panels as an example since having high efficiency monocrystilline installed. We in the UK equate sunlight rather than photons as powering cells. In actual fact some cloudy days have produced a more overall efficient amount of electricity. On a personal level just tiny alterations to my electricity usage profile has lowered my carbon footprint dramatically. If products were designed to dynamically alter the Time Of Day charging may help lower people's personal carbon footprint without the need of having personal solar arrays.
Electricity providers have already cottoned on to this mechanism and more and more are providing "Time of Day" tariffs specifically designed to encourage people to avoid peak energy usage periods.
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brisinger  Male  Lancashire 10-Nov-2019 22:35 Message #4762113
It can be done by the suppliers. I think it's Bristol Energy that is supplying 100% renewable electricity.
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terry  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Nov-2019 22:46 Message #4762114
See it's opened the conversation to a new level, and it's important to get both sides, or all sides of the discussion. No one idea is going to help us, and every idea has it's 'good and bad' points, but we need more conversations like this and then we need to think how we can influence those in power, so even though I seemed to critiscise in my last post, the only way to make us more aware and actually do anything is by asking these sorts of questions, I revert to, we all know the answer.
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brisinger  Male  Lancashire 11-Nov-2019 09:58 Message #4762123
If the industry want people to use electric vehicles then they need to price crash them to artificially love prices.
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 11-Nov-2019 10:43 Message #4762124
The other thing I'd do almost imediately is to ban that horrible blue and orange plastic rope and bring back the use of natural materials such as hemp to replace them. So much marine waste washed up on our shores seems to be bits of lost plastic rope, it dosen't biodegrade, it just breaks down into smaller and smaller pieces. If we used hemp them we could have the fibre for rope and other textiles, it makes beautiful fabric, seeds for oil which is nutritious and could be used for all sorts of things, its not the variety that gets you stoned before anyone starts tittering. There are so many fibres we could use as alternatives to plastics and stuff like cotton which need loads of water and pesticides, not just hemp but nettles, bog standard stinging nettles, I'm sure they'd be a great crop as they seem to grow everywhere, especially where you don't want them, seem both drought and flood tolerant and don't seem to have any natural predators. They are the habitat of rare poliinating moths though and we need to protect our polinators not just bees, bees are among the day shift of polinators whereas moths are the night shift.

Another thing I'd do is make all new road surfaces use that porous tarmac stuff, it allows to drain through and helps stop flooding by giving the water somewhere to go.

People often worry about the impact on jobs of making environmentally friendly changes, yes we'd lose out in some sectors, but we'd gain in others, if shoes were repairable, we'd have cobblers shops again, if we bought quality clothes and just seasonally changed things like buttons and collars then we'd see a rise in haberdashery shops. If furniture was made properly and not of poor quality soft wood stapled together so as if falls apart after 3 or 4 years, then we'd have reupholsterers shops again.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 11-Nov-2019 14:40 Message #4762129
Just as I suspected, Nigel Farage has announced the Brexit party is not standing in many seats at the election.
Has Farage given up and accepted that this is the best Brexit he is going to get or has he just given up?
It's a strange position to take - if he thinks Boris's deal is not Brexit why doesn't the Brexit party stand everywhere, if however he thinks it is Brexit, why bother standing anywhere?...
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 11-Nov-2019 15:40 Message #4762130
It's obvious.
Farage has realised that keeping Labour and LibDems out is more important than the Brexit he hoped for. If he stands against the Conservatives, he would be wasting Brexit energy and resources to target areas that are not the Brexit he wants, but better than nought. If he competes with Conservative seats, he realises he just dilutes the pro Leave votes.
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 11-Nov-2019 19:00 Message #4762150
He's probably done remain parties a huge favour too, many soft leavers and remainer Tories will vote LibDem now especially in Tory seats where a majority voted remain, the Tories have to keep the seats they already have as well as win new ones. Maybe rather than a cunning plan to get some sort of Brexit, Farage wants another hung parliament so as he can stay in the limelight and keep his EU job, I think the staus quo of indescision suits him much better than losing roundly to the Tories. Of course there aybe some kind of wily plot between Farage and Johnson, but I doubt it and if there is it will fly apart pretty quickly as they both vie for the limelight.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 11-Nov-2019 19:09 Message #4762152
If there is a deal between Johnson and Farage I don't see what the problem is, given the LibDems, Greens and Plaid Cymru have done a deal themselves. People in certain constituencies won't be able to vote for their preferred candidate even if they wanted to.
I wouldn't be surprised if a few more Brexit candidates drop out this week....
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brisinger  Male  Lancashire 11-Nov-2019 20:03 Message #4762154
Let's face it the majority of people who voted Brexit see is as achieving the objective of putting it on the political agenda. I don't think that many will vote for a one policy party now Brexit is in process.

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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 11-Nov-2019 20:54 Message #4762158
I must admit, I thought the LibDems would be soaking up votes, but most of the polls show both Conservative and Labour going up at the expense of LibDem, Brexit and Green, but Conservative still ahead at 38 and Labour at around 29ish at last look today.
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fosy  Male  Leicestershire 11-Nov-2019 22:54 Message #4762168
"People in certain constituencies won't be able to vote for their preferred candidate even if they wanted to. "

which to me is not democracy and i dont think they should be allowed to do it.
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 12-Nov-2019 00:31 Message #4762169
11/11/2019, Nigel Farage declares there will be no Brexit candidate in seats that were won by the Conservative party in the 2017 GE.
Apparently all Brexit candidates have been told not to declare until the last minute.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 12-Nov-2019 08:02 Message #4762170
"People in certain constituencies won't be able to vote for their preferred candidate even if they wanted to. "
"which to me is not democracy and i dont think they should be allowed to do it."

Indeed, the more we see of the Lib Dems the more we realise they are not very liberal nor very democratic...
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brisinger  Male  Lancashire 12-Nov-2019 09:35 Message #4762172
The problem with our current political system is that it is still essentially a two party government. A lot of people end up tactical voting and vote in such a way to keep the party they don't want out rather than the one they want in.
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 12-Nov-2019 11:11 Message #4762177
It made me laugh watching Farrage on the telly last night thinking he will get enough MP's to hold Tory feet to the fire over brexit along with the DUP, havn't they been watching whats happened to the DUP over the last couple of months? The Tories will use them until it suits them not to and then they will be unceremoniously dumped.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 12-Nov-2019 11:28 Message #4762181
Farage is trying to save face, I said when he announced he wasn't standing for election something odd was going on.
He got a grilling on LBC last night and insisted candidates will not get their money back, I suspect things inside the Brexit party are not as stable as they would have us believe....
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brisinger  Male  Lancashire 12-Nov-2019 14:07 Message #4762189
...and that's something else with our political system is that unless you represent the views of the major parties and your face fits, it is far too costly to stand for election...
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Neros1954  Male  Devon 12-Nov-2019 20:41 Message #4762220
Almost every talk radio station is conducting interviews and phone-ins about the election and questioning if anyone is changing their vote from their usual voting pattern.
By far the biggest change is Labour voters refusing to vote for Labour because they fear Corbyn as a prime minister and they are turned off by the anti-Semitism in the party. These are people who want to vote Labour but can’t bring themselves to do so.
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 13-Nov-2019 23:07 Message #4762333
Today 13th November 2019 Boris Johnson went to Doncaster to help with the floods.
He had green wellies on, and looked just like someone that had never worked a day in his life.
You could tell he did not enjoy the situation, many people were hostile to him. He was very flustered in interviews too.

Praise to the army, straight to work, repairing flood defences.
Joe Swinson and Nigel Farage both went boxing, Farage even had special Brexit party gloves.

Still no sign of disgraced Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg.
Corbyn gave interviews today, but I missed them.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 14-Nov-2019 08:11 Message #4762337
It's never going to go well is it, a posh southern Tory PM going to a staunchly Labour supporting area to console Yorkshire people who have suffered the devastation of their homes being flooded? Still, if he wants to be PM that's all part of the job. At least he went.

Corbyn himself suffered the embarrassment of a heckler in Scotland, calling him out on his terrorism links - he really didn't know what to do, or where to look, he smiled weakly and turned away.
I do worry for Corbyn, surrounding yourself with adoring Labour activists whilst bemoaning the establishment is one thing, becoming PM, being the establishment and having to face people that really don't like you, is something else entirely.
He wore a tartan scarf because he was in Scotland - I sense a theme here, wear a green tie if you're talking about Grenfell, wear Tartan in Scotland...hmm it's all a bit amateurish and false isn't it? Does he think that's all it takes to win people over?
It will be a very steep learning curve if he does become PM...


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