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Election Campaign 2019

Highlights 30th October

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RAACH84  Female  Buckinghamshire 14-Nov-2019 08:54 Message #4762339
I don’t trust Corbyn, Johnson or Farage as I believe they would say and promise anything to achieve stardom.
For me. Johnson is too far right. Corbyn is too far left. Greens are too green. Brexit is too Brexit. If I had to choose one party which would take office with a good overall majority and implement its own policies I would choose the LibDems as I think they speak for more of the nation than the extremes of other parties.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 14-Nov-2019 09:08 Message #4762341
I used to regularly vote Lib Dem but they are now a parody as far as I'm concerned.
Their latest thing is that men who simply identify as a woman (presumably the reverse applies too) should be treated as female by the law.
So I can use female toilets and even use the women's room on here purely because I say I'm now female - I don't even have to have my bits chopped off.
Happy days....
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RAACH84  Female  Buckinghamshire 14-Nov-2019 09:42 Message #4762343
It’s a difficult one to judge Hierophant. It’s probably more difficult for the older generation to accept as the younger ones have been brought up in a more enlightened environment.
It depends if you believe sex changes are simply a lifestyle choice or or are medical or psychological reasons. Difficult to explain in a post I think.
In many countries and even in many UK towns you will find unisex toilets. Even unisex hairdressers which I find more disturbing as I like to gossip while my hair is being sorted.
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The_Jewess_Rebecca  Female  Herefordshire 14-Nov-2019 09:54 Message #4762345
Corbyn is not "far left"! Read the policies. This is moderate social democracy - capitalism but with regulation and investment in public services. Whatever people's reservations about Jeremy Corbyn, at his age he is going to be doing some succession planning and Keir Starmer has to be front runner to take over. It's about the policies not the personalities.

Meanwhile I see Bonski has been playing tarts and oligarchs. Russian money! :-D There is a God.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 14-Nov-2019 10:01 Message #4762347
The irony is females are losing out, especially in the world of sport - males are identifying as female and being allowed to participate in female competition, unsurprisingly given their inherent strength and stamina advantage they are winning lots of stuff and the natural born females are pissed off.
Ha ha you reap what you sow folks....
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MrQuiet  Male  Northamptonshire 14-Nov-2019 10:16 Message #4762349
Many do not see Corbyn as far left or Johnson as far right but I think Raach is correct in her assessment. It does of course depend on your starting point.
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 14-Nov-2019 11:04 Message #4762351
Yes why exactly won't they publish that report into Russian eletion meddling? Just how much money are oligarch giving to the Tories or any political party. Most of it is extremely dirty money parked here for safety, personally I'd like to see that money sequestered and its origins examined, London has become the money laundering capital of the world.

I thought Boris looked as if he'd been shocked into sincerity whilst visting flood victims, I thought they made some very good points, a government should not have to be shamed into calling a COBRA meeting, or getting the army into help with flood defences.

Corbyn seems to be saying different things to different people, will he or won't he allow a second referendum in Scotland? I think Labour have some good ideas, like the 6 years of free education and training for adults, with a shifting labour market people need to be able to retrain, but they seem unable to get the across effectively and coherently, like the muddle over a 34 hour working week, the shadow health secretary saying the NHS would be exempt from it and John McDonal saying the NHS would have it at a later phase.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 14-Nov-2019 11:13 Message #4762352
The NHS is a tricky one, the biggest employer in the country and it's staff may or may not be able to benefit from a shorter working week.
Again Andrew Neil took the shadow health secretary apart over this last night.
I no longer work full-time due to health, it's great in one respect but you do have to redesign your life to live within a tighter budget - expecting people to be paid full-time wages for part-time hours is not sustainable, as the muddle over the NHS position clearly proves....
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 14-Nov-2019 11:20 Message #4762353
"I thought Boris looked as if he'd been shocked into sincerity whilst visting flood victims, I thought they made some very good points, a government should not have to be shamed into calling a COBRA meeting, or getting the army into help with flood defences."

Well I don't get your logic considering the COBRA meeting and army deployment happened BEFORE Boris Johnson visited the scene...
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MrQuiet  Male  Northamptonshire 14-Nov-2019 11:39 Message #4762355
I think leaders of parties, Presidents and others who travel to disaster areas always look a bit out of sorts. Sometimes leaders even travel back from overseas to make an appearance.
In reality it’s only a publicity gesture as no leader can actually do anything at the scene and would surely do much more good working from their office.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 14-Nov-2019 11:53 Message #4762356
Of course, you could argue Johnson's visit was more meaningful and less about electioneering than Corbyn's or Swinson's, at least Johnson is in a position of power and able to do something....
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 14-Nov-2019 13:28 Message #4762359
There is do much poor health, including mental health, in those working in the NHS. Staff are being run to the bone and falling like flies.

Somehow, France is more productive on a shorter working week and Sweden has more bank holidays and a move to a 4 day week.

There was an article in BMJ ages ago that a siesta or afternoon nap also improves motivation, accuracy and production yet when I admitted to an unpaid lunch nap on a 10 hour day I was disciplined over it.

The reason partly why I have decided to retire from NHS GP land is the lack of management knowledge on using the right person for the right job. Some haven't a clue.
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NoSaint  Female  Devon 14-Nov-2019 14:18 Message #4762365
Hierophant Male East Anglia 14-Nov-2019 11:13 new Message #4762352
The NHS is a tricky one, the biggest employer in the country and it's staff may or may not be able to benefit from a shorter working week.
Again Andrew Neil took the shadow health secretary apart over this last night.
I no longer work full-time due to health, it's great in one respect but you do have to redesign your life to live within a tighter budget - expecting people to be paid full-time wages for part-time hours is not sustainable, as the muddle over the NHS position clearly proves....


Coming out with good sounding ideas that don’t work is very easy and I’m not surprised the shadow health secretary was made to look foolish.
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The_Jewess_Rebecca  Female  Herefordshire 14-Nov-2019 17:27 Message #4762371
JustLyn I can't believe you were disciplined for taking a nap. Maybe they would have preferred you to be exhausted while you treated patients.

Other comments don't inspire confidence either but I do recognise what you are saying from personal experience.

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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 14-Nov-2019 18:50 Message #4762376
Living within your means/budget is good providing of course you can cover the basics to begin with and hopefully have some savings to cushion you should something major need fixing or replacing.

I think instead of just looking to recruit more doctors and nurses there should be far more done to explain why so many of them are leaving and then do something about it so as to retain staff. Things like the senior doctors pension plans that mean they end up paying as much in tax as they earn if not more for doing extra shifts, I believe this is a reason waiting times have increased.

If we're going to mechanise away so many jobs, how are people supposed to work to earn enough to live? I think everybody should be able to benefit from mechanisation and a four day week might be it, other wise the poor get poorer, there will be more poor people and the rich will get richer and social divisions ever bigger. I know its hard to get headds around, but either a shorter working week or UBi will be needed if we're not going to have the above scenario. I've written many times about UBI and many have come up with a load of problems with it and many of them totally valid and would need to be sorted out first, but I've yet to hear any of the nay sayers come out with any ideas to stop a bad scenario happening, even though they mostly admit it will happen. Taking a trip down memory lane to back when we wuz young isn't the answer, nor are statistics, or beliefs in political leaders.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 14-Nov-2019 22:21 Message #4762397
This should get your vote WH, Labour are proposing to part nationalise BT and provide free broadband for every home in the country.
Hmm state run internet? They do that sort of thing in China don't they?....
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MrQuiet  Male  Northamptonshire 14-Nov-2019 22:27 Message #4762399
Hahahahahaha!!!!!! Brilliant. If Labour part nationalise BT it won’t matter who has broadband because they’ll always be on strike. No good writing either as they’ll be on strike too.
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 14-Nov-2019 23:24 Message #4762405
Is that really true, free broadband if you vote Labour?
Sounds like one of those life insurance plans.
You know, the man with all the parsnips.

So what are the Conservatives offering?
Waitrose vouchers?
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Nigel_In_Devon  Male  Devon 15-Nov-2019 17:44 Message #4762526
Lyn..."There was an article in BMJ ages ago that a siesta or afternoon nap also improves motivation, accuracy and production yet when I admitted to an unpaid lunch nap on a 10 hour day I was disciplined over it."

That is disgraceful! I hope you involved your union in that meeting!
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 15-Nov-2019 18:51 Message #4762533
In theory a good idea, but probably not in practice, or rather the way it would be practiced, Open reach, the bit they want to nationalise is pretty much a private monoply so making it a state one sort of makes sense, as if they really do put billions into upgrading the whole system then it makes sense that the public own it. I'd prefer it to be run as a mutual so as we all own and have a say in managing it rather than by the government doing it on our behalf. Privatisation hasn't delivered what was promised, yes we have a choice over which energy company we pay, but we and they have no control over the infrastructure providers and they're so often the ones that have been dragging their feet. I think privatisation was set up to create private monopolies instead of public ones, the whole thing was done badly and its been tinkered with ever since because nobodies really had the guts to say its not working so lets take back ownership of it. There are things that I do think would be better off publically owned, like railways, the franchise system is failing badly and why should we be charged through the nose for an often terrible service to subsidise other countries much better rail services? My other concern is that a labour government would part way through all this privatisation only to be voted out and someone else come in and want to sell it off again, so we'd end up totally shafted, just like we were over the bank bailouts, we should of hung on to those shares until we'd got our money back with interest.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 16-Nov-2019 10:25 Message #4762589
In our area, it's mainly a battle between 2 poor and expensive services Virgin or Sky. They both practice "sharp" practice by charging excessive monthly charges unless you notice, after s contract period ends.

One positive observation the community social based fibre could add would be doing something uniform to prevent child pornography online and maybe be more pro active in preventing Russian or Chinese intervention. We used to be world leaders but now our lead in that field has been well surpassed. Again, I think Sweden have a national fibre government network and I wouldn't say Sweden is a Communist state or at risk of being one.

On the NHS Survival Facebook pages I subscribe to, one of the clinicians posted this.

"Tommy Robinson has endorsed Boris Johnson, adding himself to a list that includes Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Jair Bolsanaro, Viktor Orban & the worst humans on the planet.

Jeremy Corbyn is endorsed by 129 leading economists, including Nobel Laureates.

See the difference?"

Mmmm....
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 16-Nov-2019 11:10 Message #4762592
There are now calls for a police investigation for election tampering by the Tories for allegedly offering brexit party candidates peerages if they stood down.

What would happen if the Tories were re-elected, but were found to have tampered with the election?

Would that election be null and void?

What would it mean for any legislation that government had put through?
Female
NoSaint  Female  Devon 16-Nov-2019 15:05 Message #4762601
The only two party leaders who have ever shown any signs of ending the NHS as we know it have been Farage and Blair.
All other leaders want a strong and continued NHS.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 16-Nov-2019 15:06 Message #4762602
There's something all too convenient about this, Farage comes across as a bitter jilted bloke whose party is in a bad way and he's trying to take as many others down with him as possible.
I'm finding this whole election pretty depressing already and that's before I even consider the possibility that Corbyn might win...
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 16-Nov-2019 17:07 Message #4762607
I sort of agree with you Hiero, it does all stink a bit and I do wonder where Farage will go next if Brexit happens, no doubt it won't be brexity enough for him. Thing is I can see the Tories offering peerages etc to candidates to stand down, although I could see them offering Farage a gong or a knighthood rather than a peerage as they woudn't want him in the HofL banging on and on, it would effectively neutralise him and his claims of not being part of "the establishment". Although I do wonder if he's, as you say, trying bring others down with him, although its not just him saying it, I think several are saying it and people in the brexit party who are cross with him for standing down candidates in Tory seats. I think he's a bit of a busted flush, But we shall see if theres any truth it soon I expect?


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