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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 9-Apr-2019 15:10 Message #4738314
A politician (the holder of an elected office, not to mention leader of the opposition) needs to watch he says.

Corbyn seems unaware of this essential quality. I don't think anyone is persecuting him, he is his own … folly, and is bound to receive the rewards for it.
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tsunamiwarrior  Male  Hertfordshire 9-Apr-2019 15:33 Message #4738315
You are right Gilpin. Corbyn has gone his whole life saying things that were bound to be considered abhorrent by the British public but he was so low profile it was of no importance. Since Momentum took over and pull his strings I'm sure they are wishing he had kept quiet.
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 9-Apr-2019 16:04 Message #4738317
And the press will drag every bit of dirt. I don't think he is the worst offender, there are people with criminal records in parliament, including the Lords. Not to mention the one that swung the vote for he recent Repeal Bill after serving a sentence in prison. They are just asking for trouble.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 9-Apr-2019 16:25 Message #4738318
Corbyn leads, from the strings of Momentum, a dangerous gang of hard-left zealots who cosy up to enemies of the West with his pals from various terrorist groups, and are hell-bent on rehashing the disastrous politics of the 1970s. He has turned a blind eye to the antisemitism festering away within the Labour Party and has crafted a foreign policy which would make Putin proud. And when it comes to the economy, his old-school socialist programme of borrowing, tax hikes and renationalisation could be catastrophic. By pulling Labour away from the centre ground, Corbyn has gravely damaged one of Britain’s great political parties. He is a danger to this country, and is not fit to lead it.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 9-Apr-2019 17:46 Message #4738320
GILES UDY: The chilling truth of how Corbyn's Marxists would destroy Britain... as revealed by the Shadow Chancellor in an ominous letter to the Treasury ...
As the turmoil at Westminster intensifies, the chances of a Labour Government led by Jeremy Corbyn continue to mount.

It is a grim prospect. For the first time in history, our country would be ruled by Left-wing revolutionaries who believe in the wholesale socialist transformation of our society and the triumph of a Soviet-style ideology.

If Corbyn’s radical plans were implemented, Britain would become a land of ruthless state control, permanent class conflict and political oppression.

A glimpse into this dark possibility was provided this week by news that John McDonnell, the Shadow Chancellor and Corbyn’s closest ally, plans to preside over a programme of political re-education at the Treasury if a Labour Government takes power.

Officials would not only be retrained in new ‘economic theories and approaches’, but would also have to conduct ‘listening exercises’ with the trade unions, Labour’s paymasters.

McDonnell likes to present himself as a sober-suited pragmatist who merely wants to engage with the Civil Service and the City. But we should not be fooled.

A very scary prospect for the country.
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 9-Apr-2019 18:14 Message #4738321
Soviet style ideology. I really don't think so. If you've read Marx's communist manifesto and compare it to Corbyn's 'ideology' you will find it totally dissimilar. The media publicity given to this is completely OTT.

I am no Corbyn fan, not by a long chalk, but sometimes it smells of witch hunt, to discredit and remove him from the Labour leadership, because his ideas are more proletariat and out of 'fashion' with the centralist dominance this country is falling into. i.e. no time for the lower working classes who are being marginalised, and is the very cause for this spreading populous movement.
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 9-Apr-2019 18:48 Message #4738323
Thanks Raach.

Gilpin I agree with your last post.

Hiero, I think thats a weakness inherant in our party political system, it dosen't matter who the current party leader is, they could go and another be elected from within the party membership, come up with a totally different idea of how things ought to be done and yet theres nothing to say they have to seek a GE to get a mandate for these different ideas. I think it should be passed into law that anyone taking over as PM from a sitting PM of the same party should have to call a GE to seek a mandate from the electorate. Its always seemed to me to be anti-democratic that the best constituency MP might from a party who's ideals you find utterly loathsome, I think party politics warps the system and is out of date, especially in a FPTP system. As to who Corbynites '..would cling to instead...', that would depend on who was elected to replace him, if it was someone similar to Corbyn then I'm sure they would support that person, if not then they wouldn't. Although to be honest with the way that Labour Party policies are decided, by the membership, it gives individual leaders less scope to do a total about face on policies. Corbyn was the prime mover behind this change and now it some back and bit him in the bum because the party decided at conference that it wanted to push for a second referendum and Corbyn disagrees with that policy, hense so many people leaving the party.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 9-Apr-2019 21:07 Message #4738329
People are leaving both parties because of the push for a second referendum. It wasn't many days ago that people were threatening to leave because Corbyn didn't support a referendum.

Likewise, in the circles where I read, there are Labour supporters threatening to leave because they see Corbyn as covertly pro Brexit, and then an equal amount because he is covertly trying to quash Brexit.

Each person pins their own interpretation on what they choose to hear.

I don't think Corbyn has been bit on the bum. He has always said he supports the majority but reserves the right to always debate in hope to change minds. So far he's a man of his word.
He didn't want the common market but since we'd been in EU 40 yrs he voted Remain.
He supports Brexit because that is what was voted for.
He supports the Customs Union and single market because it's a way to protect businesses and offer some consistency as well as a compromise that might pacify Remain voters.
He doesn't want the Royal Family but recognises they are popular and not on his agenda as a major issue.
He doesn't want Trident but it's Labour policy to keep it after a majority vote at the Labour conference.

Doesn't seem a bad set of compromises on his part from his beliefs and what most Labour MPs want.

MP's close to May now admit she hasn't negotiated anything, that she thinks all decisions are hers. They have been denying it for months but now it appears a longstanding common problem many will even risk a GE for.
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Andromeda  Female  Berkshire 9-Apr-2019 21:10 Message #4738330
I do think we need a different political system but I don’t think Corbyn or Labour have any answer and that Corbyn is the worst of all scenarios.
His political aims aren’t as terrifying as his terrorist alliances but scary none the less.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 9-Apr-2019 21:10 Message #4738331
Hotor Wot,

Back to your crystal ball predictions again.

Corbyn is the last person to run a ruthless state control. He wants to do exactly the opposite of what you describe by reducing inequality and that is what people not kept in poverty are really worried about. They want to retain the biggest gap in them and us.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 9-Apr-2019 21:12 Message #4738332
Corbyn has no terrorist alliances.

He abhorred terrorism and worked to prevent it by trying to negotiate with the culprits.

You know, that saying about keeping your enemies closer than your friends.
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tsunamiwarrior  Male  Hertfordshire 9-Apr-2019 21:12 Message #4738333
“At another Stop the War rally (before becoming leader of the Labour Party, attending Stop the War rallies constituted a significant part of Corbyn’s life), he said the Islamic State’s beheading of Alan Henning, a British aid worker, was “the price of jingoism.”

he said the Islamic State’s beheading of Alan Henning, a British aid worker, was “the price of jingoism.”

Is Corbyn for real?”

This says everything about the real Corbyn.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 9-Apr-2019 21:21 Message #4738334
HotOrWot 9-Apr-2019 16:25
Ho. Ho. Ho
Yet more plagiarism:


https://www.intelligencesquared.com/events/jeremy-corbyn-is-unfit-to-be-prime-minister/
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 9-Apr-2019 21:30 Message #4738335
tsunamiwarrior 9-Apr-2019 21:12

Straight out from the Hard Right Heritage Foundation

https://www.heritage.org/europe/commentary/jeremy-corbyn-has-soft-spot-extremists

Don't you have any other sources than a bunch of super-rich neo-liberal financers of covert, and often armed, destabilisation of democratically elected governments that don't cry "Uncle" often enough for the Koch Bros liking?

Are you a clone of HoW?

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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 9-Apr-2019 22:56 Message #4738339
JEREMY Corbyn has been blasted for calling a thousand terrorists responsible for the deaths of 600 people his “brothers”.

The Labour leader welcomed the release of the men and women, who included a suicide bombing mastermind, baby killers, a smirking murderer and a monster who burned a mother and her children alive.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Apr-2019 00:09 Message #4738341
HotOrWot 9-Apr-2019 22:56
JEREMY Corbyn has been blasted for calling a thousand terrorists responsible for the deaths of 600 people his “brothers”.

The Labour leader welcomed the release of the men and women, who included a suicide bombing mastermind, baby killers, a smirking murderer and a monster who burned a mother and her children alive.


The Sun, By Alain Tolhurst
3rd August 2018, 12:08 pm Updated: 3rd August 2018, 12:14 pm

The Labour leader welcomed the release of the men and women, who included a suicide bombing mastermind, baby killers, a smirking murderer and a monster who burned a mother and her children alive.

Reduced from Mr Regev to scrabbling in the Gutter Press with The Sun
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 10-Apr-2019 01:21 Message #4738342
Appearing on the Press TV show ‘Remember Palestine’, Corbyn appeared to suggest the prisoners, who had recently been released by Israel in a swap arrangement, may not be guilty.

The then-backbench MP said: “You have to ask the question why they’re in prison in the first place.”

“And since the releases that took place after the hunger strike I met many of the brothers.”
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 10-Apr-2019 01:22 Message #4738343
The terrorists, who were let go in exchange for Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier who had been captured and held in captivity by Hamas, had been convicted between them of the murder of almost 600 Israelis.

Is Corbyn for real?
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 10-Apr-2019 01:27 Message #4738344
Corbyn’s “brother” Walid Anajas was involved in three attacks which resulted in the deaths of 36 people.

Corbyn’s “brother” Abdul Aziz Umar helped make the suicide vest used in the attack on Cafe Hillel in Jerusalem on September 9, 2003, which killed seven and wounded 64 when it was detonated.

Corbyn’s “brother” Ahmed Jibril Othman Al-Takuri carried out a firebomb attack on a bus in Jericho, in which five people died including a mother and her three children.

We should choose carefully who we support and who we build alliances with.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Apr-2019 07:36 Message #4738349
HotOrWot 10-Apr-2019 01:21

Budgie-Boy squarks his latest "Sun" plagarizms.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6933398/from-suicide-bombing-mastermind-to-baby-killers-all-the-monsters-jeremy-corbyn-has-called-his-brothers/

How Low can you Go in your search for Mud?
Gutter Press Perching now - Next the "Star" and then Redwatch?
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Apr-2019 08:07 Message #4738350
Andromeda 9-Apr-2019 21:10

1.0 I do think we need a different political system
1.1 Any suggestions? If not, why not?

2.0 but I don’t think Corbyn or Labour have any answer and that Corbyn is the worst of all scenarios.
2.1 Some clues as to your " different political system" = one which excludes ppl +/ parties which you and your chums don't think should be allowed to take part in YOUR "New Democratic" process.
2.2 Of course, when the millions of citizens who are being disenfranchized protest in the streets carrying photographs of Mr Corbyn and other banned politicians, you'll support HM Military forces firing at them.
2.3 When this replay of the Peterloo massacre escalates into an Amritsar type massacre (1919), mass internment without trial will have to be introduced - outsourced to the Private sector, of course.
2.4 What comes next is in the history books - which perhaps you didn't read when at school, being a "RHINO"?

Do at least TRY to think things thru'.
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RAACH84  Female  Buckinghamshire 10-Apr-2019 08:14 Message #4738352
Your posts are becoming very insulting Good2BWith and aimed at almost everyone on here who doesn't agree with you.
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HotOrWot  Male  Lancashire 10-Apr-2019 08:54 Message #4738354
Corbyn’s “brother” Husam Ataf Ali Badran orchestrated the 2001 Dolphinarium disco suicide bombing which killed 21 and wounded 120, as well as other attacks

Corbyn’s “brother” Ahlam Tamimi helped arrange a suicide bombing in the Sbarro restaurant in 2001 which killed 15 Israelis, including seven children, and wounded 130.

Corbyn’s “brother” Fuad Muhammad Abdulhadi Amrin killed a 15-year-old Israeli schoolgirl while she was on her way to school.

They wouldn’t be my choice of “brothers”
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Apr-2019 09:30 Message #4738355
RAACH84 10-Apr-2019 08:14
Your posts are becoming very insulting Good2BWith and aimed at almost everyone on here who doesn't agree with you.


1.0 Au contraire, RAACH84 if you read the inflammatory name calling, vilification and general mis quotation of my postings, I have been most restrained, polite but firm, especially with those whose grasp of the 'rules' of debate are of the kindergarten, unsupervized, playground.

2.0 Since you have NOT, to my knowledge, stood for election as spokesperson for anyone but yourself, I suggest that you step down from that self aggrandizing (faux) position and speak for yourself alone.

3.0 I don't reply to everyone who doesn't agree with you
3.1 Some are polite but too trivial to respond to
3.2 Some are lacking in the ability to utter anything but highly cliched, puerile insults and should not be "fed".
3.3 Some have descended to publishing a string of plagerized quotations from Propaganda documents, and latterly, Rightist and Far-Rightist 'Rags'.
3.4 Perhaps you think that my challenging their undermining of debate by my showing their sources for their direct, unmodified, unreferenced 'lifts' is in some way, known only to you, "insulting"? I can assure you that you are in a remarkably small minority, if not utterly isolated, amongst those who love our open democratic way of life in UK.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 10-Apr-2019 09:47 Message #4738357
HotOrWot 10-Apr-2019 08:54

This is one of your most brazen yet, with plagerized 'lifts' from

Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs,

the 'Sun',

the Mail, and even

the anti-Vaxx publicizing Celebrity Best News = celbestnews.com


To quote the (in)famous John McEnroe "You Cannot Be Serious"


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