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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 18-Mar-2019 21:15 Message #4737108
I was born in the country, even outside a village, very rural, doors were unlocked most of the time. I was just up the road from Lowry, not that he had anything to do with it. Anyway, at age 4 my parents were put in a corner shop in a town around 5 miles away. There, in the late 50's there were kids throwing stones at each other, playing on railway lines, and I got stopped by the police carrying three other kids on my bike!

I reckon a lot of petty crime is mostly in higher population areas, and where my parent moved to, we were rich by comparison, even though my dad was a labourer.

The point is, then, we had park wardens who would tell you off if you sat on a swing and you looked too old for it. My brother in law was a bobby on the beat and carried a truncheon. I got the cane at school for being late.

Kids now don't get the fear of authority and children are now born of parents who have never known the local bobby.

In the rougher area, we have places to go to. In spite of my dad's occupation, I went to dancing, horse riding, elocution lessons (though I didn't stay long). I went to brownies.

I don't remember muggings, but maybe then people just had less to steal, maybe the benefits then was enough to eat without all the technology expected now, more to steal, more to desire, more to keep up with the Jones...who knows?
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 18-Mar-2019 21:52 Message #4737111
1) It's a site based in US(A)
2) Yours is but one slightly relevant definition amongst many which don't support your assertion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/etymology/comments/1vx6t3/whatistheoriginoftomugtobe_mugged/
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Bewildered  Female  Norfolk 19-Mar-2019 09:41 Message #4737125
Gilpin. Italy in recession agree. but look at the list of other EU countries and see their eye watering debt.

Why has coverage stopped of the violent unrest and continuing protests in France... burning the EU flag shouting FREXIT

and silence over Greece... have they suddenly emerged from the hell of a couple of years ago...

No , all is rosy in the EU, we are better together...well they are better with our 39 billion ..

The EU is in trouble, yet they are trying to tie the counties together with tighter unity ( sorry I mean a tighter , grip)

LISBON TREATY is only a couple of years away...
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 19-Mar-2019 12:47 Message #4737140
Bewildered

Actually I wouldn't worry about the EU. They're just bound to fall. But who is going to get the trade empire?

The EU project is politically over-ambitious and makes the mistake of underestimating, not to mention disrespecting the people. They need to work with them (the people) not against them to succeed.

We want to be in the trading bloc, so I'm sure the BBC has its orders on what not to show on our screens, 'Russia Today' is not so reticent.

I agree, Europe is in a mess. Unless they recognise their mistakes, the populist parties will get in. But it is astonishing that they seem unaware of what they're doing, and appear to go about making it worse.
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barney  Male  Surrey 19-Mar-2019 14:21 Message #4737158
On radio phone in this morning Baroness nonentity, I can't remember her name, they seem to create a new Baroness weekly now.
In her la de dah accent she tried to pretend she was all for democracy but want's a second referendum. When asked what should the leavers do if remain won it, she replied.

" They will have to get used to it ".

What like the remainer's did with their constant moaning, court challenges, protest marches etc.
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Gilpin  Female  Middlesex 19-Mar-2019 14:59 Message #4737165
Well she's not going to get a 2nd referendum, so she will have to get used to it. haha
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Clocky  Female  the West Midlands 19-Mar-2019 22:02 Message #4737189
When we finally get out ... will the EU implode?
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 19-Mar-2019 22:18 Message #4737190
No
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 19-Mar-2019 23:04 Message #4737196
Whatever happens a lot of politicians are going to lose jobs.
At least one, maybe both main political parties will be in Cleggland, the political wilderness.
I am looking forward to how this turns out.
Its one thing for idiots to think they can ignore democracy, but politicians should know better.

Where is Del boy Cameron?
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Clocky  Female  the West Midlands 20-Mar-2019 07:14 Message #4737204
Where is Del boy Cameron?

In the wings, waiting for the chandelier to drop ;)
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 20-Mar-2019 07:30 Message #4737205
"Where is Del boy Cameron?"

You see I don't particularly blame Cameron for instigating the referendum, I know that's akin to saying I don't believe Tony Blair is a war criminal, but that's my view.
Many people, not just Conservatives, were calling for a referendum on Europe, I remember it was Lib Dem policy at one time.
Of course, none of these people thought in a million years that we would vote to leave.
It's easy and convenient to blame someone - after the tragedy in New Zealand we seem to be blaming everybody and everything, other than the bloke himself. It's the modern way.
Anyway, the only thing I would criticise Cameron for is not staying on and dealing with the result...
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 20-Mar-2019 13:44 Message #4737217
Perhaps someone can explain something - I just watched PMQ's and lots of MP's are blaming May for being a roadblock and calling for indicative votes to see what Parliament is in favour of.
They have already rejected no deal, May's deal, a second referendum and Corbyn's amendment plus several other minor amendments, so one wonders what indicative votes could possibly be left.
Plus, the EU have categorically stated there are no further negotiations or re-negotiations possible.
So what are MP's actually asking for?...
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 20-Mar-2019 18:49 Message #4737231
Theres been some suggestions that have not made it before parliament for a vote, an indicative vote or a series of them would provide a sort of mind map of where people's thinking is and hopefully provide a way forward out of this morass that we've got into. Although I do think its a bit late now, the time for those indicative votes should of been at the begining of the process or at the latest after the first defeat of May's deal.
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 20-Mar-2019 19:15 Message #4737236
a way forward out of this morass that we've got into.

Au contraire,
It's what we've been dragged into by a PM who will go down in history as the most incompetent since Anthony Eden

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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 20-Mar-2019 22:49 Message #4737249
No that's Del Boy, he is still out there somewhere.
And do not forget Tony Blair and Edward Heath.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 21-Mar-2019 07:03 Message #4737270
"It's what we've been dragged into by a PM who will go down in history as the most incompetent since Anthony Eden"

Well we still might end up with Corbyn so I'm sure that accolade won't last long.
I see your messiah threw a hissy fit and walked out of cross-party talks because he didn't like certain people being there. This is the joke of a leader who screeches at the despatch box that May should reach out to encourage a consensus for the good of us poor people and our jobs and livelihoods.
I wonder what he will renege on next...
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 21-Mar-2019 07:46 Message #4737276
This is a tweet by Paul Mason (remember him as a journo on BBC Newsnight?) now an extreme left wing activist...

"I love that Corbyn walked out of the meeting because Umunna was there. Finally the elite are going to realise: Labour is an insurrection against neoliberalism, not part of your cheese and biscuits circuit..."

That's the consensus and reaching out that Corbyn was pleading for?...
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Good2BWith  Male  West Yorkshire 21-Mar-2019 09:31 Message #4737287
Hierophant 21-Mar-2019 07:46

This is a tweet by Paul Mason (remember him as a journo on BBC Newsnight?) now an extreme left wing activist...

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an extreme left wing activist??

You are rapidly riding down the road of the rabid Rightist Republicans in US(A) and returning to the days of "Reds under the Bed" and Sntr Jo McCarthy's 'Witch Trials'

"I love that Corbyn walked out of the meeting because Umunna was there. Finally the elite are going to realise: Labour is an insurrection against neoliberalism, not part of your cheese and biscuits circuit..."

For FAR too long, too many MPs have become institutionalized and inward looking. In so many cases this has meant adopting the style and ethos of the "Public school, OxBridge, Bullingdon Club Boys"
In New Labour, those behaviours became de rigueur for any Party member seeking to retain their position or progress. The purges performed under Blair were widespread and ruthless.

That has changed in the ways Mr Mason has delineated.

That's the consensus and reaching out that Corbyn was pleading for?...

Mr Corbyn PLEADS for nothing.
What he does, with the backing of the vast majority of the 500 000 members of the party, is DEMAND that Parliamentary rules and regulations be adhered to and that martinet May's increasingly Presidential blusterings and blame shifting shall be ignored.
The meeting in # 10 was a "Cross Party" one. Mr Umunna does not represent a Part of any sort which has yet applied for or been given, recognition by the Speaker.
To have invited Mr Umunna rather than one of her own (female) Tory Turncoats was a challenge designed to cancel any understandings made between herself and Mr Corbyn made earlier in their LONG telephone conversation.

It is PRESIDENT May who is the venomous snake in the woodpile.
It is the Democratic Leader (Of the PLP & LP) who is the Peace-maker and always has been.
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 21-Mar-2019 09:36 Message #4737288
Hierophant,

You have completely been taken in by the anti Corbyn media.

A "hissy fit" is a tantrum as might be given by three year old, where in fact Corbyn understandably should not recognise C. U. as a leader. Why should a (not) leader of a (not) party be given a voice round a table of leaders, especially when C.U. shot his own policies and party in the back?

Your bitter language against people who have a different view speaks volumes. You called me as worshipping a messiah, then label someone else with the same virtues because such people refer to someone you dislike, but have never met, in an optimistic light.

I didn't hear anyone other than May do any screeching as her voice had gone, I suspect keep repeating herself to the EU leaders.

Why exactly, do you say Corbyn is a joke?
How do you know Corbyn could not lead better than May if he has never actually done it?

How do your assumptions stand up when those who suspected the same when he was running for leadership were proved wrong, in massive numbers, not once, but twice?

Corbyn had been on the phone with May for 20 minutes and got nowhere. He has tried to help her, but if someone you are trying to rationalise with does not respond but sticks on the same track, then what is the point of him paying pip service to something that is not working.

As for Mason. Whether you like him or not, it is good he fights against neoliberalism. It seems to be that is what the Conservatives, especially since the coalition have been heading to.

By the way, Capita, a private company that seems to have a scary level of monopoly in our public services has lost another contract due to poor efficiency in running the cervical screening contract after lots of mistakes and poor monitoring of it's services.

Like the Failing Grayling principle, this incompetent government have kept awarding failing Capita more contracts in spite of failing before. They fail this, then get awarded that. They even have their hands controlling my pension in the NHS.

You predict what Corbyn is going to fail, yet you support what has been failing for years.

Before you call Corbyn my messiah again. I don't wish Corbyn any harm, but I really don't mind if he retires and one of his new blood takes over. As I have said all along, I just want people leading who have some compassion, however, our system works.

I'm just into the first couple chapters of Nick Clegg's book. It has great reviews from people across political boundaries who appreciated his insights. I imagine you will "screech" I am fooled by him, or that I worship him too, but his voice is sincere and how Cameron, and particularly Osborne set him up with blatant lies when he became too popular was frightening, but the public swallowed it from the Daily Mail and Telegraph.
The Conservative rigging of votes seems to have been forgotten as was the expenses scandal. But people still regurgitate the twisted versions of what they think Corbyn did, even if they don't make sense.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 21-Mar-2019 09:52 Message #4737289
Ahh both of you didn't take long to respond - red rag to a bull and all that.
As I have said many times, what scares me is you and your kind focus everything on Corbyn, not the party, not even the rest of the front bench, solely Corbyn. That's why he is your messiah.
I bet most people have no idea who the rest of the shadow front bench are, who does what job, they are certainly in the shadows.


"How do you know Corbyn could not lead better than May if he has never actually done it?"

Probably for the same reasons people state John Smith was the best Prime Minister we never had...
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wonderoushen  Female  Gwynedd 21-Mar-2019 10:25 Message #4737292
Chukka Ummuna left Labour to form a breakaway group that sits in parliament the IG had as much right to send a representative, the Greens or the LibDems, Corbyn needs to get over himself, he had a 20 minute phone call with TM later where he complained that Chukka Ummuna's presense broke the agreement of the talks. What agreement, why should he think he has the power to say who should be at a meeting at the PM's invitation? To me that sounds like someone who was looking for an excuse to have a hissy fit, and I think hissy fit is the right term because his actions were plain childish and show to me that he's unfit to lead either Labour or the country.
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tumbleweed  Male  Gloucestershire 21-Mar-2019 11:14 Message #4737297
Most reports I am reading are saying a similar 'hissy fit' type thing about Corbyns actions.

They aren't reports that I am delving into in a desperate attempt to find something similar. They are reports that are coming up first with just a google search of 'Corbyn'

For instance, one is saying it was a disaster, Sky is saying it was 'Juvenile', another was saying he made it all about him. it goes on and on.

Even with the 'no publicity is bad publicity' type thing, it does seem Juvenile and hissy fittish, in my opinion.
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Hierophant  Male  East Anglia 21-Mar-2019 11:31 Message #4737298
I saw these statistics, which I think are surprising and rather telling when you see them laid out. They clearly explain why Parliament is in such a mess and I think give some credence to May's view that MP's are delaying things.

EU Referendum results 2016

By votes
17.4 million Leave / 16.1 million Remain

By Constituency
406 Leave / 242 Remain

Constituency By Party
Labour; 148 Leave / 84 Remain
Conservative; 247 Leave / 80 Remain

By Region
9 Leave / 3 Remain

By MP
160 Leave / 486 Remain
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JustLyn  Female  Cheshire 21-Mar-2019 19:51 Message #4737331
CU has not been voted in democratically. He doesn't legally represent any group unless he wins a by-election on his own manifesto. he has no business being included in a leadership meeting.
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NotHermit  Male  Derbyshire 21-Mar-2019 20:00 Message #4737332
CU has not been voted in democratically

Translation.

Jeremy does not like him very much.
But he still openly says he will talk to anyone?


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